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Standing Committee On Governance And Economic Development Comments
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

The Department of Transportation provides for the safe, accessible and reliable movement of people and goods throughout the Northwest Territories. The Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development met with the Minister of Transportation and his staff on January 14, 2003 to review the Department of Transportation's draft main estimates for 2003-2004.

Committee members made note of a net $3.02 million increase in operations expense for the department. The department advised the net increase is due to: $1.711 million in overall changes to the department's amortization estimates; $172,000 to fund motor vehicle registry services in Yellowknife; $250,000 to fund a design review and legal work required for the drafting of the final agreement for the Deh Cho Bridge proposal; $167,000 in incremental costs associated with the administration of the Community Aerodrome Radio Stations, or CARS, on behalf of Nav Canada, net effect is nil as these costs are recovered from the third party; $370,000 to fund the implementation of the new impaired driving legislation; and, $350,000 in infrastructure contributions. The $350,000 in infrastructure contributions is comprised of $100,000 for community marine facilities and $250,000 for community access roads.

The committee also noted a net increase of $7.845 million in capital expenditures for the department from its business plans. This net increase is the result of: a correction or deletion of $455,000 in capital funding for high intensity approach lights that had already been included in the budget for the Inuvik airport's taxiway and apron upgrade project; an additional $4 million from the Canada strategic highway infrastructure fund for Highway No. 8, kilometre zero to 259, various Inuvik; a further $3.8 million from the same fund for Mackenzie River road bridges, various Inuvik; a reduction of $500,000 from $1.3 million to $800,000 for Highway No. 4, kilometre zero to 69.2, various North Slave; and an additional $1 million for public highway access roads, various territorial.

Ferry Maintenance

It is generally accepted that proper preventative and scheduled maintenance would result in reduced operational and repair costs. Committee members suggested when replacing engines for ferries, either new or rebuilt engines be purchased. Adopting this value for money approach would be more economical in the long run.

The committee noted that many of the current ferry engines may be obsolete. Ongoing maintenance for engines that should be replaced is unreliable and inevitably more expensive. Long term savings from the use of new or rebuilt engines may result in funding for other essential programs and services.

Highway Maintenance And Snow Removal

Timely snow and ice removal on the highway system is essential to public safety. It was brought to the attention of a number of committee members that on some highway sections, snow and ice removal only occurs during regular work hours. Travel takes place at all hours of the day and throughout the entire year.

The committee suggested to the department that snow and ice clearing be done as soon as possible on all sections of the highway system to ensure public safety, even on weekends and holidays, and outside regular work hours.

Apprenticeship And Other Training Programs

Training and apprenticeship programs for Northerners have remained a leading concern for members of the standing committee. These programs should be easily accessible for all Northerners. However, committee members pointed out that apprenticeship and other training programs are almost non-existent in smaller communities and are mostly concentrated in regional centres. The committee is of the position that apprenticeship and other training programs should be available in all communities, regardless of population.

Committee members were also concerned about inadequate funding levels for training programs. The government's Maximizing Northern Employment Program, or MNE, offers very limited funding. Furthermore, many people are not even aware of the training opportunities that are available. The committee recommended that the government develop a more effective communications strategy that lets people know what training programs are available in the Northwest Territories and equally important, in their own region.

Within the department, employees must pass their one-year probationary period to obtain any significant training. Barriers to training must be eliminated or at least reduced. The availability of training and other educational programs contributes to recruitment and retention success and better overall program and service delivery. To these ends, the committee suggests the department encourage its staff to take better advantage of training and other educational opportunities.

Readable Signage

Readability contributes to overall safety for the travelling public, especially on our highway system. A number of committee members pointed out that the lettering size on the government's current road signs is not large enough and is difficult to read from a moving vehicle. The committee encouraged the department to make timely efforts to improve and replace the signage on our territorial highway system.

Public Highway Access Roads

The Department of Transportation received $1 million in funding for the development and expansion of public highway access roads for 2003-2004 from its 2003-2006 business plans. The department is responsible for a number of access roads that connect communities to the highway network. These access roads are an integral part of the highway system. During the committee review of the department's main estimates, Members requested additional information from the department, including a list of communities that are eligible and the work that is planned for 2003-2004.

In a document provided to the committee, the department informed the Members, that eligible communities include Kakisa, Hay River Reserve, West Channel (Hay River), Fort McPherson, Jean Marie River and Nahanni Butte, all of which require additional upgrading and/or chipsealing. The department added that these planned improvements would improve access road safety, and decrease highway maintenance costs by reducing the blading, grader repairs, granular and dust control requirements. Improvements to public highway access roads in all of the eligible communities are planned for the upcoming fiscal year.

Committee members observed that while some funding is available to make improvements to public highway access roads, more money is needed to complete the various projects. The committee concluded that more funding must be found but not from internal reallocation. Committee members suggested if the government receives new funding, a portion of it should be redirected towards the public highway access road program. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That concludes the Standing Committee on Governance and Economic Development's report.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Does the Minister wish to bring in witnesses? Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Sergeant-at-Arms, escort the witnesses in, please. Mr. Minister, please introduce your witnesses for the record.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, with me are Peter Vician, deputy minister of Transportation; and, Lynn Cook, director of corporate services. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. General comments. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Somewhat related here, especially on the capital side is the potential development going on in Nunavut with the Bathurst port and road development. I believe I asked some questions during the budget review last time within the last year, Mr. Chairman, just to see what the status of this project is, what our government's involvement is with it and what is the status of this fairly significant piece of transportation infrastructure for the North. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think the proponents of the Bathurst port still continue to lobby and do as much work as they can to promote the development of that port. Nunavut, like our government, got limited strategic infrastructure funding so the ability to be able to do very much is certainly limited by their infrastructure funding.

The current status is that it's before Minister Nault. He has not yet decided if the project should be reviewed by the Nunavut Impact Review Board or under the CEA process or how it should be dealt with. The Government of Nunavut is expecting a decision sometime soon. It's a project that could have impact on us if it went ahead. It could result in some of the traffic that we currently have being routed through the Bathurst Inlet port. That has a good side and also a downside on it. For one thing, it's less wear and tear on our roads. On the other hand, it would take away some potential revenues that we see as a result of traffic and business being routed through this current arrangement.

How likely is it that the project will go ahead in the next little while? It just depends on how much mineral activity takes place there. It's really hard to predict at this point.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So the project has been defined and a decision has to be made on the regulatory process it's going to proceed under. I have had some discussions now and then with people, especially in the mining industry. It's interesting because there are some different perspectives on whether or not this project could, in fact, be a potential boon to the mining industry and the service industry in the NWT. I am assuming the thinking is that the creation of a Bathurst road and port is going to enable new mining development in Nunavut. That can only help our economy because we have so much of the logistics and the supply side and the airline support facilities are based here in the NWT. So I just wanted to raise that. There seem to be some interesting arguments that this, indeed, in the long run could be a very positive development for our economy. I wanted to see if the Minister has explored that aspect of it and is this a project that, with some vision, and certainly some risk, that we should be getting behind and supporting? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, my view and my department's view is whether this project goes ahead or not is going to depend on the economic case that can be put forward. It's not going to be a political decision. If it is worthwhile to invest the money that's needed, and our estimate or the latest estimate on the road and port construction is $216 million to build a road and then it's got to be operated after that. If there is enough mining activity to justify that size of a road, it will likely go ahead. But if there isn't, I don't believe any government is going to put the money into putting the road there. The traffic that would be required for it is probably based largely on the base metals, Izok Lake is one major example. Base metal prices continue to be fairly low. Right now, they wouldn't be economic, but if base metal prices went up, we could see this project move ahead quickly.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you. One other topic I wanted to ask about concerns the Deh Cho Bridge. Mr. Chairman, this is something that I think just about all MLAs in the territory or in this Assembly have some degree of support for, some of us more than others. This is certainly something for the economy of the North Slave and something that we are really looking forward to seeing happen. I want to compliment the department and the officials and my colleagues, especially Mr. McLeod, the Member for Deh Cho, in the work that's been done on this so far. Perhaps a technical question I wanted to ask the Minister, how much funding has the GNWT invested to date in the Deh Cho Bridge project? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, to date, we have invested about $200,000 in this project. This current budget, as I mentioned in my opening comments, shows another $250,000 that we are willing to put into this project.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am wondering if this funding is money that will be, if you will, evaluated or incorporated into our eventual financing and takeover of the bridge? The deal, as I understand it, is over a long period of time we will be paying in a kind of lease-purchase arrangement. Will this $450,000 be counted eventually as some of our investment in this project? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, no. The money that we have put in so far into the feasibility of this, plus the $250,000 we've identified in this main estimates will not become part of the money to be recovered. We feel this is our investment. The $250,000 that's in our budget this year is for our own capacity to be able to deal with this proposal. So it's to enable us to be able to work with the bridge corporation.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. General comments. Detail? Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not sure where else this would come up under detail, so I will bring it up now. It's not a really huge issue, but it is something that would affect the people who drive the highway, that utilize the Mackenzie River ferry crossing in the summertime. I have driven that road from Hay River to Yellowknife many times, probably in excess of 100 times in the last seven years. One of the things I find a bit curious in this modern day of technology is the fact that when the ferry is, let's say for argument's sake, not on the Fort Providence side but the other side and there is traffic coming, the ferry operator has no way of knowing when they actually depart the shore with a partial load that just a few short kilometres up the highway, there could be numerous cars that are close by. So just in terms of maximizing utilization of the ferry, maximizing the loads, is there not some way that vehicles passing by a certain point on the highway could alert the ferry operator that these vehicles are coming and if they only have one or two vehicles on board, that they could wait just a few more minutes and make maximum use of a crossing. I don't know if it would be a camera, something across the road, that would send some kind of a signal, something that would indicate that there is more traffic coming. It's just an idea and I would just like to know what the Minister thinks of that idea. Thank you.