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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am glad that's all the Member has. That's quite a long list. Let me just go back to the main ones that I noted.

In terms of the inspections of baggage and so on, on aircraft, that is the responsibility of the Canadian Air Transport Security Agency. It's not our responsibility. They are doing it. They are checking all luggage at 89 airports across Canada. The only one in the NWT will be Yellowknife. They won't be doing all the little ones, it's too expensive.

With regard to the work hours for our crews, all of the crews across the Territories are on call 24 hours a day. They don't work 8:00 to 5:00. They will work as the demands are there. It's the call of the camp foreman to decide when the people have to be out on the road. We have good experienced, long-time people who are responsible and I see them out on the road. I do drive on Highway No. 3 as well as Highway No. 4 fairly frequently to have a look at what the road conditions are. They are out there. I realize they can't be everywhere at once, but the balance they put in is fairly good. So we appreciate the work that those people do. In fact, many of them are very flexible. We've had times when the superintendent himself is out operating a grader because they need to have extra people. There's a limit to what we can do in terms of cost, but generally we can expect conditions to be worse in the winter and our guys do a good job there.

On the Detah ice road, that one has always been there. It's not a high maintenance thing. We put the road in in the winter. It was like that when airports were transferred to us in 1984. That was long after the Ingraham Trail and so on was built, so it wasn't something that just happened before Highway No. 4 was there. It's been there for a long, long time. We just continued it.

Taking it away from Detah, I don't know what purpose that would serve. We do make the same service available to other communities. We will consider it anywhere. I am open to that. Some of them have historically been done, for example, the road at Hay River that Mr. McLeod was referring to earlier. That's been done by the town and the band. There has never been any request for us to become involved in that. We are open, though. So we will help the communities where we can.

In terms of the bison issues, we are working with a committee that involves RWED staff in Fort Providence to look at ways of making the road safer, given the number of bison along that road at times. The committee includes their biologists and they are looking at the way other jurisdictions are handling it across North America. I hadn't thought of hitting the bison with paintballs, but maybe that's a way. Maybe we can hang reflectors on them or something.

We are open to trying to keep that road safe and also keep the bison safe. Signs, we are working on, as a result of the Member's recommendations and the committee's recommendations. We want to improve our signs. I think Mr. Lafferty's suggestion to having a sign up to indicate that there are new signs coming up, we can do that. We'll take a look at it.

In terms of the chipsealing that we've done, we've done as much upgrading as we could. I know it wasn't done as completely as we would have liked, given the shortage of money, but we did what we could in terms of building a better

base on all the roads before we chipsealed. In some cases, not as much as we would have ideally liked was done.

On the Rae access road, that one was a resealing project, it wasn't a new chipseal. If there are any problems with it, those will show up in the spring and the contractor who did it will be responsible through the warranty to make those repairs. I think I have gotten most of the comments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. The Chair will recognize Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a few short general comments. Mr. Chairman, it's been quite a number of years that capital dollars have been difficult to come by with Transportation when we look at airports, highways, and infrastructure. They are capital intensive programs. The department has tried to make do with less and cover all areas. I think that is part of the problem as Members review that and see there are limited dollars going around. So it's good to see the department is actually taking some steps to look at alternative ways of building infrastructure, as the Minister highlighted in his opening comments. I refer to the Deh Cho Bridge proposal and they are continuing to work in that area. I would encourage him to ensure that as we go through this, we make sure that we are working through it in a very careful way. My interest is that we do it right so that when the other crossings come into play, it will be a good template to work from and I refer specifically to the Peel River and Mackenzie River crossings on the Dempster Highway. We know those are very important ones to us in our neck of the woods. I guess I would encourage the department to continue to work down that avenue.

The other, Mr. Chairman, that has come to my attention is the increased airport security, and the Minister, as well, has touched on this. From my end, I've had constituents ask what was going to be done at the airport in Inuvik, and I raised that issue with the Minister. I was informed that, for example, security services at that time were handled by airline companies and they would have to request that and have to deal with the costs of that, as well. But the Minister has highlighted there will be new demands on our airport system, both current operations and for future planning. So I'd like to know in that area what he's referring to and what more security initiatives might be put in place, and how many more airports would be affected by those. Those will be my comments at this time, anything further I'll wait for detail. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. You had a lot of questions there but, Mr. Handley, do you want to respond?

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, just a few comments in response. Yes, we're very limited by capital and that has meant that we haven't been able to do as much as we would like to do. We do look at the Deh Cho Bridge as a good example of how we might be able to afford to take on some of these major capital projects, where there is enough traffic and activity.

We have had some discussions with the people in the Inuvik region on the possibility of a bridge on the Peel River, so we are looking at that as a possibility and doing it similar with what we're doing with the Deh Cho. I don't know how the traffic counts will work out right now, but we assume there will be more activity in the near future.

On capital, it's been hard to come by. We've certainly done all the lobbying we could to get whatever money we could from the federal government. We recently got $20 million through the Corridors for Canada, which is not as much as we wanted but it certainly helps. In addition to that, over the years we have got about another $17 million over the last five years from various federal programs including the winter bridges money, the ACAP money, the SHIP, the Strategic Highway Infrastructure Program, and through NavCan. So we keep pushing away and we do get a fair chunk of money. In total over the last four years, counting the first year of the Corridors for Canada, it's over $21 million; almost $22 million.

On the airports, the airlines no longer are responsible for security. That's through the CATSA, the Canadian Air Transport Security Agency. The extent to which they will put their services into airports is based on their assessment of risk, so it's not going to be something we're directly involved in. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. The Chair will recognize Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a few general comments on the department. I'd like to speak a little bit about the Deh Cho Bridge permit and licensing fee, highway signage and YK airport authority. On the first point, Mr. Chairman, I just want to briefly comment that I'm happy with the progress that's being made on the Deh Cho Bridge project. I have been on record right from the beginning in the Assembly, for a permanent bridge over the Mackenzie River. I think it's quite remarkable that we're looking at entertaining, debating and deciding on legislation before the end of this Assembly. Obviously the details are going to be important, and through the process of debating it we will work them out. But I do believe that it is essential, and more essential now than ever before with the traffic that's travelling and the economic development projects that are happening, that we move forward with that as soon as possible.

I do believe that it is a crucial role of the government to build projects like that. In many ways, perhaps, this thing has been able to move forward as fast as it did because it's not really within the hands of the Assembly here. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it is really a work of various groups and governments coming together and making something happen. I know my colleague from the Deh Cho doesn't think that the Yellowknife MLAs agree with or support anything he does, but I want to let him know that I have been a supporter of this from the beginning and I will be until the end.

Mr. Chairman, another thing that I wanted to mention is something that the Minister mentioned in his statement. He speaks about the increase of permits and licensing fees due to the increased traffic on our highways. I think that's quite apparent. I've read it in the paper and I believe the Minister has indicated during our committee meetings, that the department will be taking over the motor vehicles licensing operation. I have had inquiries from my constituents in this regard, and I have a question about this. First of all, is it safe to assume that it's the increase in traffic that's increasing the revenue by $500,000, or it's going to be at $500,000? At the same time, I'm wondering if I could ask the Minister whether there have been additional resources put into that section, given the increased workload. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the support on the bridge project. I think that's an excellent example of how private and public partnerships can be structured, and I think it will be a good model for other major infrastructure projects we eventually have on the books. Certainly the work by the Deh Cho Bridge Authority and the Fort Providence combined alliance worked to make this possible, and I hope our legislation also is supportive as it comes to this House.

On the licensing, our revenue from licences is projected at $460,000. That's up from $346,000. That's all through increased business. There hasn't been a change in the amounts that we're charging for licences.

On registrations, again, it's at $2.369 million. That's what we're projecting and that's up from $2.221 million. So that's all from increased business.

We are again trying to be fair, but also I suppose frugal in some ways in terms of our own department and the resources we put into the various divisions. We have not looked at adding more bodies into the licensing section of the department. We will continue to assess that though. If it seems that we need to add them, then we'll do that for the convenience of the public. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you. First of all, maybe I should clarify whether or not permit and licensing fees being mentioned in the Minister's statement is the service that was offered by the registries service. Is that motor vehicle registration and licensing a different thing? Maybe I'm not understanding what licensing and permits are, because I was just assuming that that was something that the motor vehicles registry office handled as well. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, the numbers that I've given -- and I didn't include the amounts for permits of $256,000 -- are for all across the Territories. Every licensing office would be dealing with the licences, with permits and with registrations. So the Yellowknife one would have been handling its proportionate share, and Hay River and so on.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Is the reason why there have been increases in the fees that you're collecting on permits and licences a result of the commercial activity that's going on with the commercial trucks?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, it's from volume. It's not any price increases on our part, it's just the volume. So there are more commercial vehicles, there are probably more private vehicles, but it's all volume. That's all related, of course, to our strong economy.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. I wasn't necessarily assuming that the prices had gone up, I was talking about volume as well. My question is, given the level of traffic of commercial trucks and a lot of them being from the Yellowknife area, why was it that the private motor vehicle registry was not able to make a go of it? Or is there some other reason why they decided not to renew that contract? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, most of the big heavy traffic that comes through Yellowknife -- in fact, probably all of it -- would get their permits at the Enterprise scale, not in the Yellowknife office here. So that wouldn't add business to this office. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you. I realize I'm running out of time, so I'm going to come around once again but just a last question on this issue. I had someone in my riding conveying the difficulty that she had in getting a permit to have a commercial operation of trucking in the Territories. She felt that maybe with all of the increases in activities going on, that government or whoever she was talking to was not keeping up with the level of expertise that was required to accommodate this. I'm just wondering if the department or the Minister could advise me if there's a level of expertise required to provide information to the public about anyone who wants to operate commercial trucks in the Territories. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, I think our procedures, our standards and so on are pretty comparable to across the country, but I'll let Mr. Vician give more detail on how we handle this kind of request. Thank you.