Mr. Chairman, I waited quite awhile to get to page 20 and then I wasn't in the Chamber when it came up. I would like to go back to page 20.
Debates of June 12th, 2003
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
June 12th
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The Chair Paul Delorey
The Member is seeking consent to go back to page 20. Does the committee agree?
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
June 12th
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Department Of Executive
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Go back to page 20, Executive, capital investment expenditures, Commissioner's office, not previously authorized, $200,000. Mrs. Groenewegen.
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I spoke to this expenditure previously at some point and we talked about it here in the House. The Minister was kind enough to provide some fairly detailed information with respect to what it would cost to replace the present Commissioner's residence and incorporate office space into that, as opposed to put a $200,000 leasehold improvement into a building we don't own and won't have anything to show for after awhile. On the page which I think all Members got detailing the information of the costs, I had a few questions about that. Cost assumptions include larger than average lot. I thought we had determined that we had already owned the lot when we had the land already. It's in the possession of the Government of the Northwest Territories and had been set aside for use of the Commissioner's residence for sometime in the future. So why is that listed in there at $150,000? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The $150,000 that was in the costing we provided is for site development. It's for decking and landscaping and costs of that nature as we understand it.
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My mistake. Actually, why do you have larger than average lot in your cost assumptions if we already own the land?
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My understanding is that the department is factoring into the square footage cost of the unit the estimate of the value of the land. If we were going to dedicate that particular land to this project, it would be normal to capitalize the cost of the land with the improvements, with the building. When you are doing the cost benefit analysis, the option available is if you don't use the lot for this purpose. If the lot is surplus to your need, the lot represents an asset you can dispose of. So it's normal we would build in the value of the lot into the cost benefit analysis.
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
June 12th
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. How did you arrive at a required space of 6,458 square feet? The current residence of the Commissioner is probably about maybe 1,500 square feet on the main living floor. So how did it go from 1,500 -- which if you are entertaining 1,500 is not large enough and I wouldn't expect it to be the same size -- but how do we go to 6,500 square feet?
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
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Voytilla
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The existing square footage that the Commissioner's office consumes is just under 2,000 square feet and I think the intention was that this would afford her an opportunity to meet all of her office requirements. So a minimum of 2,000 to 2,500 square feet is designated for office requirements and that leaves a large home in the vicinity of 4,000 square feet for the Commissioner's requirements, which would include large entertaining capability and other requirements. I believe that's how they came up with the number. We don't have the specific design estimates here, but I do believe that was the basis for the calculation.
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think then that the fact that this information indicates that if there was a new residence, that this is the amount of space that would be required, it certainly speaks then of the inadequacy of the current residence. It talks here about prestigious landscaping, interior finishes that befit the images of a Commissioner's residence. Well, what is the image of the Commissioner's residence now? I understand if you are gong to build new, you are going to want to upgrade, but I think that all these things that are listed here speak to the fact that we really don't have a place where when we have visiting dignitaries, we can actually entertain except in the Great Hall. For the record, I know we have gone past this page and it's already been approved, but I think this is not a wise investment to put $200,000 into leasehold improvements into NorthwesTel and add that to the rent. If you do the math between the existing residence, the land we already own, what you are going to pay for leasehold, what you are going to pay for rent and add it all up? I can't believe you can't do better to build a new residence and own something. That is my comment, for the record. Thank you.
Financial Management Board Secretariat
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. We'll go back to page 21, Financial Management Board Secretariat, total Financial Management Board Secretariat, $501,000, not previously authorized.
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Aboriginal Affairs
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Page, 22, Executive, capital investment expenditures, Aboriginal Affairs, aboriginal affairs not previously authorized, $21,000.
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
June 12th
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
June 12th
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
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Committee Motion 125-14(6): To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
June 12th
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
Department Of Municipal And Community Affairs