Debates of June 12th, 2003

This is page numbers 965 - 1056 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Topics

Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Update On Negotiations
Skills Canada Competition
Youth Criminal Justice Act
Conference Board Study Of NWT Economy
Manufacturing Strategy
Aboriginal Law Career Development Program
New NWT Sport And Recreation Board
Support For NWT Arts And Crafts Industry
Acknowledgement Of Disabled Athletes
Hay River Heritage Centre
Application For A Single Rate Zone For Power
Travels Of Princess Alexandra Grade 6 Classes
Core Health Services Available To NWT Residents
Negotiations With Specialist Physicians
Inequities Of The Medical Travel Co-payment
Role Of Special Committees
Tribute To Dene National Chief Bill Erasmus
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Committee Report 15-14(6): Report On The Review Of Rule 70 Of The Rules Of The Legislative Assembly
Motion To Receive Committee Report 14-14(6) And Move To Committee Of The Whole
Committee Report 15-14(6): Report On The Review Of Rule 70 Of The Rules Of The Legislative Assembly
Motion To Receive Committee Report 15-14(6) And Move To Committee Of The Whole
Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions
Update On Negotiations
Contingency Plan For Specialist Services
Inconsistency In Treatment Of Medical Travel Costs
Hay River Heritage Centre
Government Sponsored Insurance Programs
Harmonization Of Social Housing And Income Support
Housing Meeting In Fort Resolution
Location Of Aklavik Health Centre
Letter Outlining Obstetricians' Concerns
Responsibility For Hay River Airport Maintenance
Status Of Fort Mcpherson Community Services Board
Negotiations With Specialist Physicians
Alcohol And Drug Treatment Services In Aklavik
Written Question 8-14(6): Business Incentive Policy
Written Question 9-14(6): Child Protection Services
Mr. Krutko's Reply
Tabled Document 68-14(6): June 11, 2003, Letter
Tabled Document 69-14(6): Cbc News Release "don't Come North NWT Colleagues Tell Docs" And E-mail
Tabled Document 70-14(6): Public Accounts Of The GNWT, Interim Report - Year Ended March 31, 2003
Tabled Document 71-14(6): June 11, 2003, Letter
Tabled Document 72-14(6): Status Of Women Council Of NWT Annual Report 2001-2002
Tabled Document 73-14(6): Support Manufacturing
Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2003-2004
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 13: An Act To Amend The Public Service Act
To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(1) Of Bill 14
Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14
To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14
To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.3(1) Of Bill 14
To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.6(1)(d) Of Bill 14
To Amend Clause 5 Of Bill 13
Bill 13: Deh Cho Bridge Act
To Amend Clause 10 Of Bill 13
Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2003-2004
To Report On $1.3 Million Project For The Tuktoyaktuk Road Reconstruction
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Bill 13: Deh Cho Bridge Act
Bill 14: An Act To Amend The Public Service Act
Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2003-2004
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that proposed subsection 40.1(2) in clause 3 of Bill 14 be deleted and the following substituted:

(2) It is not a contravention of subsection (1) if a difference in rate of pay is attributable to

(a) a seniority system,

(b) a merit system,

(c) a system that measures earnings by quantity or quality of production or performance,

(d) a compensation or hiring system that recognizes the existence of a labour shortage in respect of that field of work,

(e) a compensation or hiring system that recognizes regional differences in the cost of living,

(f) a downgrading, reclassification or demotion process or system,

(g) the existence of a temporary rehabilitation or training program,

provided that these systems, processes or programs do not discriminate on the basis of sex.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The motion is in order. To the motion. Ms. Lee.

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I followed the Minister's motion very closely here and all I see is we swapped around the first paragraph with the last paragraph. I just want to know why are we putting this justification or exception to this rule at the bottom of it? Why do we need to change this?

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley, to the motion. There is a motion on the floor. To the motion. Mr. Handley.

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, the reason for the change is to ensure that the English and French versions are exactly the same and, second, "such as" was removed because these are the only criteria that can be used. Thank you.

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

To the motion.

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Question is being called. All those in favour? Excuse me, we don't have a quorum, so we'll ring the bells.

---Ringing of Bells

We have a motion on the floor. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Clause 3, as amended.

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 119-114(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(2) Of Bill 14 , Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, I have a further amendment. I move that clause 3 of Bill 14 be amended by deleting proposed subsection 40.1(5) and by substituting the following:

(5) in assessing the value of work performed by employees in the same establishment, the criterion to be applied is the composite of the skill, effort and responsibility required in the performance of work and the conditions under which the work is performed.

Thank you.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The motion is in order. To the motion. Ms. Lee.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank you for your patience here. Once again, these two clauses are very close, yet the amendment is, I think, a little bit limiting. Rather than saying for the purpose of the section, but rather saying it's how the value of work performed by employees in the same establishment will be assessed. So may I get the Minister to advise as to why this amendment makes it better legislation than the one that he proposed earlier? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley, to the motion.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, the change in wording makes it clearer that the four factors are to be considered together, as opposed to separately. Thank you.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

To the motion. Ms. Lee.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

The one thing that I noticed that's different in the amendment, as opposed to the one that he proposed earlier, is that at the end of the amendment -- I'm sorry, it's hard to talk about this without any incentive -- but the original one says "conditions under which the work performed is equal", but I don't see that here. In the one it says "which the work is performed." So what is the substantive change for removing that wording "work performed is equal"? Thank you.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

To the motion, Mr. Handley.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, the change in the wording that way is to make it clear that the four factors have to be dealt with together. The other wording tended to separate out working conditions. Thank you.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

There is a motion on the floor. To the motion.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Clause 3, as amended.

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 120-14(6): To Amend Clause 3 Subsection 40.1(5) Of Bill 14, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.