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Return To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Supplementary To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Mr. Minister. In light of that, can the Minister inform this House and instruct the majority of the authorities of the mental health and drug and alcohol workers in terms of the expectations of having these workers secured in place in this initiative, in terms of security in their positions and their roles from now on with the GNWT? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Further Return To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the intent of this initiative was to at long last recognize the work that was being done by the alcohol and drug workers, who for many of these years have laboured often in isolation. We got the positions reclassified, we had money added to the budget, and the issue now is would they become employees where they could get the benefits, they could also get the benefit of the supervision and support for training. The intent here is to continue to provide this service in all of our communities. The issue is to work out the arrangements with the various communities. The preference would be that in fact the employees would agree to come under the authorities, however, that is an issue that we have agreed to discuss with the communities on a case-by-case basis. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Supplementary To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand the importance of the drug and alcohol and mental health workers as I was one of those people who were in that field. In terms of initiating a new program -- and I applaud the Minister for taking on this initiative and providing some level of comfort for the drug and alcohol and mental health workers -- March 31st is just around the corner, in terms of them securing some level of comfort in terms of them opting into the new initiative. I would like to ask the Minister what level of comfort can he give the mental health workers, the social workers, or the drug and alcohol workers that their employment will continue? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Further Return To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The comfort we can give the alcohol and drug workers and the mental health workers is the fact that we have invested a considerable amount of money. We have taken the time to work with the communities and the authorities to get a reclassification done that recognizes the value of the work they do. With the appropriate classification, we have raised the pay so they would have the benefit of job security, the benefit of having some qualified clinical supervision, ongoing training, and that commitment is there. It is in the budget, it is in the business plan, and we want to work out the details in those communities where there are still questions. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

Supplementary To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Mr. Minister. Can he instruct his department in the communities that need to work out some of the case-by-case details in terms of informing the mental health workers, or the drug and alcohol workers -- because it might be a week or two before they have their final details to secure them into these new positions -- that these workers will continue on with their employment and the detail will be worked out to secure them in their positions? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Further Return To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would be happy to commit and reassure the workers and those staff or employees that may be out there listening that the intention is not to put anybody out of a job April 1st, that we want to work with the communities. There may be some transition time required, and we want to be sensitive to that. This is supposed to be a good news story. The intent here is not to get into a conflict situation with communities or staff, but to work through the questions and to work through the process. We have done that in the majority of cases, and those cases where we haven't we will work extra hard with the involved communities and authorities to resolve the issues to hopefully everyone's satisfaction. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
Question 116-15(3): Reclassification Of Mental Health, Drug And Alcohol Workers
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Item 6, oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Villeneuve.

Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to ask the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation about the issue of the housing units that will be going into Deninu Kue and these other communities in the NWT. On the question of affordable housing versus maximum benefits in relation to this whole tendering process and the BIP and what not, my question really has nothing to do with the business incentive policy, although the community does welcome the opportunity to have a little bit of employment in that market and in getting site preparation and that stuff done for these units. I really want to caution the Member when talking about affordable housing, because usually when you talk about affordable housing you have to really look at quality housing.

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I would rather see some quality units going into the communities, and the people that build these units are using nails instead of staples, which happens in a lot of southern units that come up north, and are put together with a lot of staples in the units as opposed to nails.

Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

I am wondering what measures and contract obligations that these southern firms would have to ensure that these units will last at least two to five years, and that this portable housing will not have to be replaced by some more affordable housing in the short term. Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Two questions, Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we demand the same quality, the same warranty conditions whether the contract is allocated to a southern supplier or a northern supplier. I am sure there are many owners or trailer owners or mobile home owners in different trailer courts in the NWT that would be very interested to hear that the houses that they are living in and are perfectly happy with are substandard, as the Member has indicated. These units meet a certain standard, they have to have CSE approval and we expect at least a 20 plus year life out of them. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve.

Supplementary To Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to realize what the Member was eluding to that many people in the NWT live in trailer units, Mr. Speaker, I am well aware of that. But a lot of these trailer units are older units and they are put together by very big nails. The newer units are usually a little more cost effective and, therefore, they are put together with three-quarter inch staples. I wanted to ask the Minister about the affordable housing crisis that he is addressing, and the communities that these affordable housing units will be accommodating to probably professionals that have full-time employment in these communities, which in my case are very few. What kind of affordable housing will these people have an opportunity to purchase, probably at a high rate with no real market in place? How would the government assure that these people are getting value for their dollar? Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. McLeod.

Further Return To Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Member has indicated, there are some units going into communities. There is a high need especially in the community of Fort Resolution. We are planning to put in five this year, and providing everything goes this year, from the report and Cabinet's direction, we would look to next year for more units. The community has come forward, the DEA chair, and also the LHO president has come to Yellowknife to meet specifically on this issue. They are indicating to me that what we are allocating is not near enough for what they require. They have situations in Fort Resolution where they have three or four teachers and nurses staying together who are total strangers, and have to live in the same accommodations. We are also hearing that in some cases we've had reports from some members there who are moving eight to nine times in one year because of inadequate housing. So it is a real challenge to meet all of the demand that is out there. I also want to point out -- I think there was a reference that all this money would be going south -- 17 tenders were picked up. Also, as part of this contract, only a portion of this is for trailers, the rest is for setup. About 50 percent is for setup and we are looking at accommodating, as part of this project, stairs, skirting, the mechanical hook up, the electrical hook up, the land costs, land development, driveways, gravel pads, and all of those things have to be provided locally. So there is more than just going out and dialling a number in the south, and sending a...(inaudible)...there, as somebody referenced. They are trying to make an attempt to bring these units in as cheaply as possible and, at the same time, we are trying to balance with some of the investments staying in the North. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Final supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve.

Supplementary To Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to concur with the honourable Member to the point that there is definite need in the community. Just to get back to the accommodations set up in the community, I know that there are a lot of professionals that are all living in one unit. That is probably due to the fact that they are probably in a social housing unit, and with the rent scale they have in place one person in each unit can never afford the amount of rent. I wanted to ask the honourable Minister that when these professionals start moving out of the social housing units that were for social clients in these communities, will the department take a review of the rent scale system that currently discourages any incentive for people to seek full-time employment? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
Question 117-15(6): Quality Housing Versus Affordable Housing
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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

I will have to rule that question out of order, it is a whole new question. It has nothing to do with your original question. The question is out of order.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.