This is page numbers 369 - 412 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was decision.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what we have carefully considered is the appropriateness of the action that we are currently undertaking. We have made a good decision, and we are taking steps to make it so. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Because I want to show my respect for the Chair, I will ask, would the Minister be able to clearly say today, was this a bureaucratic or political decision based on nothing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are all legislators in this House; we are elected officials; we make decisions as politicians. We did it on the best advice we had. The Department of Health and Social Services and their staff gave us the information we requested, and we made a decision, which I believe is a good one and one that we will continue to act on. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, the Minister referenced best advice and requested by, so it sounded like it was a really skewed question. Where could we keep a treatment centre for kids anywhere but Yellowknife? I ask the Minister to reconsider the question asked earlier which was, clearly, would they look at establishing a treatment centre in Hay River, and leave the Territorial Treatment Centre, that is well established in Yellowknife, alone? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are going to look at establishing a treatment centre in Hay River, relocated out of Yellowknife. At the same time, as I indicated earlier, we are going to look at a number of other options in terms of improving services in the North for children and youth currently that are served in the South. At present, that is the decision. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions, too, are for the Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger. I am looking at Hansard, the record of what has been said in this House on May 26th of this year. Mr. Speaker, I am going to paraphrase a response to a question. This is a reply from the Minister. The Government of the Northwest Territories has also made the signal, very clearly, that they are interested and willing to look at decentralizing programs when they make sense, and when it is the appropriate thing to do.

Mr. Speaker, since last May, and over the course of the summer and the fall, a number of very well-qualified professional and community organizations have said otherwise. This is not an appropriate decision, and it does not make sense to do it. Mr. Speaker, has the body of information already brought to light from doctors, schools, front-line NGOs, parents and staff, made no impact on the government's decision about relocating the TTC? Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we considered all the information available. In this job, where there are far more problems than resources and we have to make a tough decision, we made a decision which I believe is the right one, and we are going to continue to move on that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Supplementary, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I just can't square this up. The Minister said there was a problem here. There was a difficult decision to make. How can it be that a community that has spent 15 years joining in the creation, evolution, and enhancement of services to these kids be a problem? Why is it that the children and the families and the parents are being politicized this way, Mr. Speaker?

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this program is one that will be well able to be delivered in Hay River. They have delivered child welfare and childcare services before, as has Fort Smith, as has Inuvik. They have good transportation systems; they have access to professional services; they have a very good education system. For the services we require for these children, that program can be effectively and efficiently delivered outside of Yellowknife. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Supplementary, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am trying to keep some open ears and an open mind on this, but I just can't find the justification for this decision. It's in tatters, more and more, as information that has been presented and will be tabled will show. When will the Minister bring back a revised plan, Mr. Speaker, to keep the TTC here in Yellowknife in the community that helped to build it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wouldn't want the Member to be under any illusions here. There is no plan to reconsider this. We are moving appropriately, and following all the steps with Public Works and staff at Bosco Homes to make sure we have an orderly and effective transition for 2007. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final supplementary, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, that's great for Public Works and Bosco Homes, or whoever the caregiver may be, but where were the appropriate steps with the Members on this side of the House, with the community, the parents and the staff involved? Where were those steps?

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, due process was followed. We are here today debating a decision that was made previously. I just want to indicate again to this House, that we are moving on that decision. It is a good decision. It's going to bring a service into Hay River that can be delivered there very effectively, and children across the Northwest Territories will still see a high level of service. Thank you.