Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to go on to page 16 and question the Minister with regard to the $1 million identified for the Yellowknife Association of Concerned Citizens, more particularly with regard to the planning and design of the territorial dementia facility. I would like to ask the Minister why it costs $1 million to plan and design such a facility? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, this dementia facility at this time is estimated to cost in the range of $13 million: $250,000 of this would be for site investigation and $750,000 for construction document development. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Pokiak.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm trying to figure in my mind, Madam Chair, about design and planning. I'm not an engineer myself, but doesn't the department have someone in their department who can actually do that and come out with a plan at a much cheaper price? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, for many of the projects we do become involved with, there is always a portion of the budgeted amount that goes towards design and planning, facility planning and to the point of construction documents. So you'll find that for every facility we have, there's a part of the budget that is used for that area. It is an institutional facility that would require specialist services that make sure we've got it right. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Roland, the question was, do you have anybody in-house that could do that? The short answer would be no. The answers and the questions are too long here. We're not going to get through this supp before tomorrow night. Anything further, Mr. Pokiak? Mr. Villeneuve.

I'll just be brief, Madam Chair. Just with regard to the $285,000 for the emergency and transition shelters, it's good that Inuvik and Yellowknife are getting $135,000 between two. The $150,000 between the 31 other communities, that's roughly a little under $5,000 per community. Can the Minister let the public know, and these emergency and transition shelters know, that they will be entitled to roughly $5,000 in their community? It's not a hell of a lot of money for a transition shelter. I don't even think it will pay for power for a year for any centre, but I don't think it's sufficient, and I would have like to see more monies being allocated for this important initiative to help the homeless. Just a statement. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to forward this to the Minister of Health and Social Services for a response.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. So a breakdown on the other $150,000. Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the $150,000 is a fund that's there, on a case-by-case basis, that communities can access if they have a circumstance where they're dealing with a homeless person that's in need of some kind of support or shelter that can't be provided in the community. We had a similar fund in the program last year, and it wasn't subscribed to, but one of the issues, we think, and feedback we've gotten, is that it wasn't properly communicated as well as it should be. So this year we're taking steps to ensure that communities know that there is going to be a pot of money that they can draw down in the smaller communities if there is a need on a case-by-case basis. It's not set up to be carved up among every community. We recognize as well with this funding that there are some communities that are magnet communities in a significant way, Yellowknife and Inuvik being two of the largest ones with the most transient population, and those that would be defined as absolute homeless where they have no place to stay, and they're in the community either from the regions or they come north. Hay River, as well, is included in that. So that fund is there to be drawn down on a case-by-case basis to give communities the capacity to be able to respond. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Anything further, Mr. Villeneuve?

No, thank you.

Next I have Mr. Hawkins.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Seeing how we've sort of jumped to page 16, I just want to take this opportunity to say I am in full support of the planning money finally being given to the Yellowknife Association of Concerned Citizens for Seniors, YACCS. They're a tremendous organization that have done a lot of work on the planning of a dementia centre. A lot of credit needs to go to the past president of YACCS, which is Al Falconer. He trumpeted this cause for a number of years to get this profile out. This is a community organization that's sort of been grassroots on this initiative. For a lot of people, $1 million will sound like a lot of money, and it certainly is by any state, but I've come to learn, through my political experience over the last five years, that planning dollars and design dollars are not as cheap as people generally think they are. We're not designing a warehouse, we're not even designing an old age home or a home for seniors, we're designing a very specialized facility for the treatment of the disease of dementia. It requires a very specialized facility because it's one of those situations where people have very specific needs, and these dollars are going to be well spent. I have every confidence in how this organization has put forward their plan. I've looked at the design, and I think it's a tremendous project. I think I could speak at length about the kudos they deserve. I know that they are very excited. Their present president, Ann Costache, has done the good work, and they're leading as a combined force, I think that needs to have a special pat on the back for the efforts that they've delivered. That's all. I just wanted to say that I'll be speaking in favour of it, and I certainly appreciate the efforts that they've gone through, and they've done this solely on a business case. So it's nice to see a bit of a

partnership between the citizens' groups and government working together. So thank you.

Okay thank you. I don't hear any question there, so I'm not going to refer that to the Minister. Next on my list, I have Mr. Braden.

Thank you, Madam Chair. There are a couple of things that other Members have raised that are worthy of some comment. First of all, Mr. Ramsay, in mirroring other items requested in the supp, has flagged the $50,000 to finance a consultant on a costing exercise here for Health and Social Services. The way the bill is worded, Madam Chair, we want to contract somebody to complete a cost analysis of the measures needed to mitigate Health and Social Services impacts. I gather from that that the measures needed have already been identified. We're not engaged in sort of a scoping or a design exercise here; we already know what's needed, but we need to know more about how much they're going to cost. Is that a more sort of precise definition of what's going on here?

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Miltenberger.

I have so many bookmarks going here I can't keep track; $50,000, yes, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Anything further, Mr. Braden?

Yes, Madam Chair. If Mr. Ramsay continues with his motion to delete, there's a further item there under program delivery support. There are two items listed, Madam Chair, $230,000 worth of reviews and $464,000 in nursing resources and the Nurse Practitioner Program. There's a line there that says that the net impact on the government is nil, as expenditures will be offset by revenues from Canada. Is this offset for both of those figures, Madam Chair, $464,000 for nurse resources and $230,000 for review, both of them picked up by Canada? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Roland.