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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, when we put in an account into the doubtful accounts section, we do not stop from having that on the books and continuing to pursue payment. It is not a forgiveness. It is not a write-off. The debt stays there. We continue to go after it. It continues to accrue interest even. But we can't account for it in the revenue side because, if a company has gone out of business, we know that it probably won't get paid, or if they have gone into receivership or filed with the courts for protection, this is the same as with individuals when people are issued a property tax invoice and they haven't been paying it. We, at some point, have to recognize that it is doubtful that we will receive that. So we have to book it that way. This particular section deals with companies and corporations, as well as communities in a general taxation area. For example, in Yellowknife, Inuvik and Norman Wells, those are municipal taxation authorities. They have their own avenue of going after the taxes and collecting the taxes and, in fact, going as far as going after the property and selling property if, in fact, they go beyond that.

This is for the general taxation area as well as the corporations and some of the filings that happen outside of the municipal taxation authorities. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. So $300,000 is the request to restore the cash flow. For the total of this year, what was the total amount of doubtful accounts that was booked? I would just like to get a sense of how much over the forecast we are on this one. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The amount is in the area of $2 million for doubtful accounts. For this year, it has been about $500,000, but we have been able to, from within, eat about $200,000, but feel that we cannot take the rest of this. That is why it has to be booked in. So I believe we are over the $2 million mark. I think it is just over $2 million. That isn't just one year; that is for as long as the taxes are in arrears. We do not write off the taxes that are in arrears. They continue to be booked and accumulate interest. So on an annual basis,

for example, if we had 100 percent of taxpayers that were invoiced pay their taxes for this year, we would still have to make an account for some increase in that area because of the existing accounts that weren't paid off; they would accrue further interest. We would have to book that as well. The Property Taxation Act is very clear in that area so it continues to accrue interest even though it is put into the doubtful accounts area.

In fact, over the last probably five years, we have had remittance in taxes in the area of 95 percent when you look at it. For example, tax collected as of January 31, 2005, for the existing year taxes that were issued, we have about 91 percent of taxes being collected on the invoices issued. When we look back to the year 2000, the taxes that were issued, we have received about 95 percent of that in payment. For example, if we were at 91 percent for 2004, we continue to go after that source of taxes and people would continue to pay it down, and it would get accounted to the year it was issued. For example, in 2000, there may have been a 90 percent pay rate, but as they paid it down, it goes to that year. For example, in 2000, it has been 95 percent of collection rate. In 2001, it was the same thing, 95 percent. In 2002, same thing. In 2003-04, it has been about just over 91 percent. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. That is great. I have a much better idea of how that system works. To the $300,000 before us here, I wouldn't expect the Minister to put out any names of individuals or corporations here before the House, but I am wondering whether...I think he mentioned there were potentially some corporate failures involved here. Could we have seen these coming and perhaps predicted that there may have been some default in taxes here? Was the department really caught by surprise by these particular corporations or have they been on the radar screen? Should we have predicted it? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, it would be very difficult for us to try and forecast if a company was struggling and surviving and continuing to make their payments or preparing to shut down and go into receivership. We are more in a reactionary mode when we become aware that a company has filed for protection or have left the North and are no longer doing business. In some cases, for example, in the fuel tax portion, we became aware of it when we did not receive the previous month's remuneration or payment on the fuel taxes and started making some calls. A cheque was then issued for the month after that and then in continuing to try to follow up on the previous month, by the time we got to it, they had shut the doors and we lost a couple more months on the fuel tax side. Again, for example, if a company purchases its bulk fuel from out of the Territories, and they come into the Territories, we still tax that and we go back and try to recover it. Again, on a monthly basis, they would pay us. But if they don't, because they haven't picked it up here, it is a little bit harder and we have to go after them for some money. In this case, we lost approximately three months I believe.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Villeneuve.

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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. He answered my questions already. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Okay. Very good. We are on page 7 of the bill, Finance, operations expenditures, treasury, not previously authorized, $300,000, total department, $300,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Page 8, Municipal and Community Affairs, operations expenditures, directorate, not previously authorized, $241,000, total department, $241,000. Mr. Yakeleya.

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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Madam Chair, the Village of Fort Simpson has a number of $42,000. Can the Minister explain to me in terms of where this $42,000 is coming from?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, when the Village of Fort Simpson went to renew its water licence, the water board instructed that they buy a back-up generator for that operation. That wasn't accounted for when they had put their plans together. This is a result of having to meet the requirement for the water licence. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Yakeleya.

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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Are there any other communities that are going to require this type of back-up generator in terms of when they go for renewing their licence? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm not aware of any myself. From this end, this was a one-time situation. Unless the Minister is aware of what communities are about to run out of their licences and have to go for renewal. Again, some may already have that, so we're not sure of that. Right now, as we've gone forward with this one, this is a one-time situation. As you see it, we'd have to wait and see for every hearing, I guess, as to what may happen. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Yakeleya.

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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Surely the Minister could estimate in terms of the type of situation in the village of Fort Simpson to the other communities in the Northwest Territories that may be expiring on their water licence that could possibly be asked to provide some additional equipment to their water treatment plant, I suppose, so we could at least have some type of indication that we could be coming back for more supplementaries. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'd have to ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs if he has that detail.