This is page numbers 301 - 334 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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Further Return To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, we have had a power outage with regard to the incident last winter because of the hydropower that caused the outage. Because of the old diesel generator backup system we had in the community, it was not functioning properly and we made the decision to replace the generator that is there, so we won't have the situation we had last year. The idea of having two systems in the community is to ensure we have an adequate source of power, so that when the power does go out, you have a backup system. The system that is there now will serve the community for many years to come with the new generator that has been put in Behchoko to ensure that when the power does go out through an outage because of the hydro line, we do have the backup system that will take care of this problem. Because we made that investment in the community, that should allow us to provide the adequate power that will be needed for community residents along with the seniors.

Further Return To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty.

Supplementary To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am still not satisfied with the answer I am getting or any answers I am getting from the Minister. This is a real fragile situation we are faced with today. The Minister is stating that this could avoid a power outage or there is a backup system in place, but I highly doubt that. Can the Minister commit to this House that in the future if there are incidents in the community where there is a power outage, there are costs associated, would he cover the cost of transporting individuals or elders to the community of Yellowknife or wherever the place may be? Will he cover the associated cost to that factor? Mahsi.

Supplementary To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

The question may be a bit of a hypothetical question; however, I will give the Minister an opportunity to answer. Mr. Krutko

Further Return To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, when there are emergencies or power outages or fires or power plants burn down, there is a backup plan in place in every community by way of the emergency measures that are in place through the municipalities, through the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and other government agencies to ensure that we have evacuation plans in place, so when we have these instances, we are able to respond. So there is an emergency plan in place that will allow the transportation of the elders or seniors to the appropriate accommodation either here in Yellowknife or elsewhere to ensure that that situation doesn't happen. Again, it is under those emergency situations that we will find ourselves having to enact that plan. There will be resources available to transport people out of the community at the appropriate time if we have to do so. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty.

Supplementary To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have been approached on several occasions from the elders. I usually visit the elders in the seniors' home and they are still concerned even though there is a backup generator. So just with respect to that, can the Minister and department make a commitment to meet with the Tlicho Community Services Agency if there is a current emergency plan in place? If not, can they establish one immediately before the winter comes? Mahsi.

Supplementary To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Krutko.

Further Return To Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
Question 129-15(5): Installation Of New Backup Generator At The Behchoko Seniors' Home
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I commit to the Member that I will sit down with him and the community to review the emergency measures plan, what investment we made in the community by upgrading the existing power plant to ensure we avoid these situations. More importantly, we will assure the seniors that we do have a safe and secure power distribution system in the community so that we do not have the situation we had last year. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake, Mr. Ramsay.

Question 130-15(5): Deh Cho Bridge Loan Guarantee
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October 18th, 2006

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Premier and it's with regard to the Deh Cho Bridge and the loan guarantee to the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation. We just recently received a letter saying the loan guarantee was going to be again bumped up another $100,000. I distinctly remember saying the tap had been turned off on the Deh Cho Bridge project, so I was quite surprised to receive a letter like that. The project costs have gone from $50 million to $60 million to $140 million

to $150 million. I am not sure why we continue to allow the tally to build up on this. I would like to ask the Premier if he didn't mean the tap was really turned off, when is he going to turn it off? Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. The honourable Premier, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, no further work is being done on the Deh Cho Bridge. The work has stopped. It's on hold. Mr. Speaker, when I say there is nothing being done, we, though, still have the interest and bank fee costs of the outstanding loan that is made, loan guarantee. Mr. Speaker, that is the only cost we are bearing now. We have chosen to keep this on hold in light of Minister Cannon's statement that he would be laying out a national infrastructure program and that we would be included in that. We have yet to find out what would be available to us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay.

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't know why we continue to put our dollars at risk while we wait for a decision from the federal government. That's for certain.

The other thing I want to ask the Premier is what exactly are the other costs that are associated? If you are saying that it's $100,000 in interest, I can see a loan guarantee of $3.55 million costing much, much more than $100,000. What is going to be the final tab on the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and what is it going to cost the residents of the Northwest Territories?

Supplementary To Question 130-15(5): Deh Cho Bridge Loan Guarantee
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 130-15(5): Deh Cho Bridge Loan Guarantee
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, all of the cost, the additional costs we have now for the time that this loan is extended to, are bank related. It's interest, bank fees, bank charges. That's all there is. There is nothing more going on. The loan is roughly $3.5 million. The work that has been done is not wasted. It doesn't go in a wastebasket. It's there and it's work that's been done and it's ready to go. If we were to just fold up everything and say we don't need to look at that project anymore, the heck with it, it would cost us roughly $3.5 million to pay off the loan and clean this up. Mr. Speaker, it's our view that there is infrastructure money coming and we should not jump the gun here and be premature. Let's wait to see what the federal government has to offer. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay.

Supplementary To Question 130-15(5): Deh Cho Bridge Loan Guarantee
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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't think we would be jumping the gun by cutting off the risk of the territorial government in that loan guarantee. Why wouldn't we just pay it out? We are going to get the information anyway. The decision from the federal government might be years away. Again, I don't understand why we continue to bleed. What other costs is the government going to incur on this loan guarantee? There has to be other costs out there. What are they and will the Premier let us know what they are? Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, we still anticipate that we will be successful in getting additional money to make this bridge possible. If the bridge goes ahead, if we get the money and the bridge goes ahead, then that money that we have loaned or guaranteed to the Bridge Corporation is rolled into the cost of the bridge. So there is no cost to the government at all. If we were to assume that the bridge is not going to go ahead and pay the $3.5 million, then in that scenario it costs us, as public government, $3.5 million. It's our view that we are better to wait and not fold up the Bridge Corporation now. There may be money coming in. This money can be rolled into the price of the bridge and no cost to public government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay.

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members have been asking, for some time, for a detailed costing on where this $3.5 million has gone and exactly what it's been spent on. We haven't received that level of detail yet on where this money has gone and what it's been spent on. From what I hear, the Premier -- and I would like again to ask him this question -- is there going to be anymore money spent on the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation? Is it going to cost the residents here any more money? Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, again, I will say there is no activity at all, no additional cost to the Bridge Corporation. The only additional cost that we have accruing now are bank interest and other fees. There is no more activity with the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and there won't be until we have the revenues to be able to proceed with this project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.