This is page numbers 949 - 996 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was know.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, when we look at why the $500 million socio-economic fund was negotiated the way it was, we have to go back to look at the reasons and the origin where it started. It started as a result of Imperial and its partners' efforts to negotiate access and benefit agreements along the valley. What they did last April is they shut down everything, saying that we cannot enter into access and benefit agreements with the communities along the valley until we get this issue about socio-economic impacts sorted out. It is not our responsibility as a company to build schools, set up treatment centres and so on. That's something that is really more in the realm of public government. That was their view. So all the way along, this negotiation was with those communities who would potentially be impacted by the pipeline. Mr. Speaker, that impact did not, and does not, give benefit. It didn't include the mayor and council in Inuvik; it didn't include the mayor and council in Yellowknife; it did not include communities outside of the pipeline route. Mr. Speaker, that's exactly the same situation we had when the access and benefits agreements and so on were negotiated on the diamond mines. It didn't include anything for communities outside of the area that was being impacted. It did not include Hay River; it didn't include Inuvik; in fact, it did not directly include Yellowknife. But it was strictly with those aboriginal groups who were along the route or in the area that's impacted, Mr. Speaker. So that's the origin; that's why it's set up the way it is. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 388-15(4): Socio-economic Funding For Larger Centres
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Oral questions. The honourable Member from Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Question 389-15(4): Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment, and it goes back to my Member's statement in talking about the prognosis, I guess, of the business incentive policy. I'd like to ask the Minister what percentage of northern businesses show their interest in a business incentive policy by registering with the GNWT, and I'd like to have those numbers of registered business has shifted or changed dramatically in the last while. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 389-15(4): Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment, Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have the exact number in front of me of BIP registered business in the NWT, but I can say that the trend has been that there has been a drastic decline in the number of businesses that, in effect, bother to register as BIP businesses. I think there are a number of reasons for this, but one of them certainly is, as the Member has mentioned, the government procurement generally, in terms of our overall GEP, is diminishing in terms of its importance. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 389-15(4): Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister, what's the cost of administering the BIP and the cost of any premium paid to award a northern business or contractor, compared to the revenue that will be forfeited by this government if we switch to a tax reduction? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 389-15(4): Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do know that the direct costs to the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment is about $300,000 in terms of administration, but that is a conservative figure when you consider the fact that all the departments have BIP monitoring committees set up in order to make sure the BIP is properly applied to their departmental procurement. So it is bigger than that. It consumes a lot of our time. We know it consumes a lot of time on the part of small business in order to make sure they're in compliance, and our numbers from the last year we have data for, on $200 million worth of GNWT procurement, there was about a $200,000 BIP premium paid to BIP registered businesses. I would also point out that about half of those are what we consider ex-NWT companies.

So they have a presence here and a presence elsewhere, as compared to just NWT home-grown businesses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 389-15(4): Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not so long ago there was quite an extensive consultation process undertaken regarding the business incentive policy, and the contract registry was reaffirmed after that by businesses reregistering. Was there any information that was obtained from that consultation round that will give the Minister and his department some indication of how they need to assess business interest in this going forward in a future consultation process? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 389-15(4): Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, certainly, from my perspective as a committee member who was involved in the BIP review and watched government's ill-fated attempt to do away with the BIP the last time, I think the one thing that was obvious to me was that if you propose doing away with the BIP and leave a vacuum, you're likely not to get much political support. I think what we've recognized, and I've had discussions with the Minister of Finance about this, that one of the possible options is to replace the BIP with a tax cut for all NWT businesses. A 50 percent tax cut in terms of small business tax rate is one of the options we're considering. I think that's significant; I think it would have an impact not only on those who do business with the GNWT, but on those who do business in the NWT more generally. So this is one of the options we're considering. We think it would go a large measure toward equalling the playing field, and I'm hopeful that the consultations will go positively. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 389-15(4): Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Oral questions. The honourable Member from Nahendeh, Mr. Menicoche.

Question 390-15(4): Homeowner Role In Housing Construction
Item 6: Oral Questions

February 12th, 2006

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, just with respect to mortgage assistance policies and client involvement and construction of their homes. We provide loans to our clients in the regions to help them build their homes, yet we don't allow them to be involved in the building process. Like with a bank, when a bank lends a person money, where that person actually does the research and gets the call of a general contractor or general to build their houses. But with us, we provide money to the clients, like a bank, but yet our corporation, our government, builds the houses for them, and therein lies a lot of issues and a lot of problems over time. So I'd like to ask the Minister, what's the reasoning that the government's building houses for the clients as opposed to them building their own houses? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, because the government is paying for a large portion of these houses which are subsidized and the Housing Corporation pays for a major portion of that construction, that's the reason the Housing Corporation wants to ensure that they are in charge of the construction and the management, and doing the inspections on those units, because we do have an investment by way of the loans that are given in which, in most cases, they're subsidized through our different programs where we hold the majority of those mortgages. So because a large portion of the money that is loaned to the client is a subsidy, we have to take responsibility of that asset. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Supplementary, Mr. Menicoche.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I can see the reasoning they want to follow a National Building Code standard, et cetera, but typically general contractors in the housing business know these codes and they adhere to them or else they would be quickly out of business, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is talking about a policy or a guideline or some kind of directive. Will the Minister provide that policy or directive to me so that I can see for myself what policy they're following? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 390-15(4): Homeowner Role In Housing Construction
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I commit to that.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm a little bit confused, as well, because in some of our other departments, like the ministry of ITI where we provide business loans, or BDIC, we provide business loans and we let the client be responsible for that money. It's still a government department, but that person's responsible. So I'm not too sure how we can do it for one department and not another, Mr. Speaker. Once again, is that policy or directive, is it an FMBS directive, Mr. Speaker?

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe it is a directive which is internal in the

Housing Corporation. It's not tied to the...(inaudible)...but I will check if it is, and I'll get that back to the Member.