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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Madam Chair, on page 6-44, the area of non-insured health benefits is detailed a little bit there. It relates, perhaps, to a discussion we had earlier this afternoon about covering off health care benefits for First Nations and Metis programs. This one also covers Inuit residents not covered under hospital or medical care programs. The amount of money that is booked here, Madam Chair, for the coming fiscal year is the same for the current fiscal year. I was wondering if there was any kind of an escalator clause or some kind of built-in inflationary aspect to this agreement with Health Canada, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Madam Chair. There is no automatic built-in escalator. Over the last couple of years, we've been very successful, though, in working with Health Canada, First Nations and Inuit branch, in terms of increasing the amount of funding. For a number of years it had arbitrarily held low, and working with them, through a number of review processes, Health Canada has increased the funding. We don't get an inflationary escalator, but they are in town this week and we are in the middle of discussions on the next year's agreement.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Murray.

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Murray

I was just going to add, and rest assured we are talking about the costs, the increases in costs and things like that.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Murray adds, and multi-year funding. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Well, great, if these folks are in town from Health Canada, then we'll keep them busy. Madam Chair, you know, with these kinds of things, we know they're going to be in place for a long time; we know the environment we're operating in is one of steady and sustained increases. So trying to cut an escalator in there so that we don't have to go back and revisit these things over and over just makes good business sense, at least from our point of view. Will an escalator and a clause on a multi-year deal be something that is actively being negotiated, Madam Chair?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, getting that kind of certainty and recognition of our ongoing costs are two very critical criteria for us. I would point out, as well, that there are other jurisdictions that have refused to administer these programs, and the federal government is left with the responsibility of setting up the infrastructure to administer this program on their own, and deal with all the costs and aggravation that the program entails. It's not a step that we're recommending be taken at this point, but that is an option for us should we reach a point where these programs are unaffordable to us. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Work performed on behalf of others, $15.855 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. Thank you. Back, then, in your books to page 6-7, Health and Social Services, department summary, operations expenditure summary, $265.186 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Agreed. Thank you. If you could please just turn in your books to capital, page 5-7, Health and Social Services, infrastructure acquisition plan, health services programs, tangible capital assets, total tangible capital assets, $9.301 million, total activity, $9.301 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Madam Chair, this page details a little bit of information about some infrastructure investment going into the Rockhill Apartment here in Yellowknife. I believe that's the building that we own and lease to the YWCA for a variety of their program delivery. I'm curious about what is the nature of the improvement going in there for $250,000 that's booked for not this current year, Madam Chair, but for the fiscal years two years out. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. St. Germaine.

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St. Germaine

Thank you, Madam Chair. The figure we have in there is based upon a preliminary technical status evaluation done by Public Works and Services. It identifies potential areas for work, including siding, hot water piping, door replacements, code upgrading, apartment fixtures, and work in the parking lot. We have done, or Public Works has done, over the last number of years, some upgrades such as shingles, the heating system, some of the skirting, structural repairs to the stairwells, and some patio door refurbishment. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. St. Germaine. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. To another area of infrastructure investment, we had heard over the last year or so, at least the last year or so, of work that was going on in Stanton Territorial Hospital. Madam Chair, this facility is now, I think, in the neighbourhood of 25 years old and some aspects of the mechanicals and the technical side are due for an up fit. There was also considerable discussion about some modifications to adapt the hospital, Madam Chair, to some new practices in day programming and things like this. But I don't know if I see, or I don't see where this might be detailed in here and I'm wondering if the Minister could outline what kind of infrastructure investment are we making in the Stanton hospital redesign, Madam Chair?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. This project, the master development plan, is yet to be finalized because of the work that was done on it, as I indicated earlier in this House. The general facilities review that was undertaken to look at all the hospitals and the acute care beds and the type of services that each facility would provide, combining that, as well, in relation to Stanton was the issue of the consolidated clinics in the downtown core, which we were wanting to make sure fit into the services provided by Stanton and which we think, if done right, will take a big burden off the emergency ward or emergency services out of Stanton. So that work is currently being finalized and at that point we'll be able to finalize the master development plan and be able to lay out in detail some of the things that we want to do. But very clearly, the medical day care and services that are currently crammed into two or three very small rooms we're going to look at expanding because it's undersized.

Some of the other things we want to look at, as well, is when you look at Stanton and there's a significant amount of administrative office space in that building -- and hospital space is probably the most expensive per square foot service in the world -- that it may make sense, if we require the space for medical services, to have our administration somewhere that's not tying up within the hospital envelope. So those are the type of things that we're going to be finalizing over the next number of months. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

So, Madam Chair, the Stanton master plan is on hold, or delayed, or deferred. What kind of timing are we behind? A year behind, a couple years behind, Madam Chair?