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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Minister Bell. Welcome, Mr. Tolton and Ms. Veinott, to the proceedings. General comments. Are there any comments on Bill 15? Clause by clause? Okay. Clause by clause, committee. Page 2, Bill 15, Court Security Act, interpretation, clause 1.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Weapons in court areas, clause 2.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Clause 3.

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Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Clause 4.

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Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Restricted personnel zones, clause 5.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Clause 6.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

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Restricted equipment zones, clause 7. Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am just looking for a bit of an explanation why clause 7 is written in such a way. It says no person shall use a camera. I have seen someone take pictures of the carvings we have had in our courthouse and they have been told to leave or stop taking pictures. In essence, why are we so heavy handed when it comes to a situation like that where we have carvings on display and whatnot? Good patrons may want to take photos. So maybe if the Minister could provide a little explanation. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, I think that is the judicial directive at this point. Of course, they can insist that is how they are going to run their courtrooms. This law, I think, brings some clarity to some of those issues. We acknowledge that it is different across jurisdictions. We want to make sure that the intent here is to make sure that there aren't published pictures or airing of live recordings of witnesses that might not be respectful to their need for privacy. We wouldn't think in a case may not be in the interest of freedom of the press. So, Mr. Chairman, there is a need to strike a balance. We recognize that. It's our intent here to make sure that when necessary, the court security have the ability to restrict things like cameras and tape recorders in certain parts of the court premises.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Minister Bell. Anything further, Mr. Hawkins?

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I am sort of not seeing the discretion here. Maybe the Minister could speak to that because, for example, our courthouse is well known for its carvings, the ones that we still have. In essence, people would go see them. The tourists, for example, would probably or could foreseeably want to take a photo of these things. I guess I am looking for the details on the discretion side of this equation where somebody has taken a photo of the carvings and they are not all of a sudden attacked by security and hauled off. Where is the discretion in this situation? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Minister Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman, I am just trying to get some clarification of what might have happened in this incident, but I would think probably would likely to happen right now is if somebody is interested in taking pictures of the artwork or the carvings, then the judges would allow them. Of course, I don't know what happened in the situation, Mr. Chairman. I guess we can't legislate all of the potential inevitabilities, but we think we've got a good bill here that allows for when it's in the interest of the privacy of people in court, their privacy will be protected. I think that's what we are striving to do here, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Ramsay

Thank you, Minister Bell. Clause 7.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

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Clause 8.

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Agreed.

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The Chair

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Security officers, clause 9.