This is page numbers 1141 - 1202 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was water.

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GNWT Position On Large-scale Resource Development In Alberta
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

GNWT Position On Large-scale Resource Development In Alberta
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen.

GNWT Position On Large-scale Resource Development In Alberta
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just in conclusion, I just want to say that Canadians have indicated that protection of the environment is one of the highest priorities facing this country today and again I say that we, as legislators and as representatives of those people, have the responsibility to ensure that high standards are set and that we get in the fight. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

GNWT Position On Large-scale Resource Development In Alberta
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Members' statement. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Environmental Accountability Of The Mackenzie Gas Project Proponents
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March 4th, 2007

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The David Suzuki Foundation produced the document entitled "All Over the Map: 2006 Status Report of Provincial Climate Change Plans." This report looks at provincial climate change efforts. It assesses each province's plan and analyzes each one's commitment to meeting the challenges of climate change. It says, with a couple of exceptions, most provinces and territories aren't leading in areas that they could be. Mr. Speaker, sadly, the Northwest Territories isn't one of those exceptions. In fact, the status report lists our performance as poor. Saskatchewan was the only province with a worse performance than ours.

Mr. Speaker, one of the recommendations the report makes is to cancel the Mackenzie Valley pipeline project and develop a sustainable energy and economic development strategy instead. As we all know, plans for the Mackenzie Valley pipeline and further natural gas production will lead to skyrocketing GHG emissions in the territory. Industry, like I mentioned, is the major contributor to the problem -- just over 50 percent of the GHGs, Mr. Speaker -- and we keep putting significant pressure and focus on residents to tighten their belts, but as we ignore the big groups we put pressure again on the smallest offenders.

Is this a case strictly based on "The Emperor Has No Clothes" and we're afraid to say no to the big giant? I don't know, Mr. Speaker. But Members of this House passed a motion in support of the pipeline, but I also think at the time we had the understanding that a resource revenue sharing agreement was pending and the territory would derive some benefit and control over our future.

Mr. Speaker, oil and gas industry has given us weak responses in order to avoid using the lower emissions that a Great Bear River project to develop a power station on the Great Bear...Sorry, Mr. Speaker. But that project on the Bear River could provide a lot of clean, cheap energy. If the pipeline goes ahead, the producers should be held accountable for their increase to their greenhouse gas emissions. These companies make billions of dollars in profit each year, Mr. Speaker. We have given them the carrot, Mr. Speaker, in the form of a comfort letter in the past, but perhaps now we should be using the stick approach. I think we should be considering and be willing to look at issues such as carbon tax levies that could be used to help fund the Great Bear River project, the hydro project, that could help power communities along the Mackenzie Valley. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

Environmental Accountability Of The Mackenzie Gas Project Proponents
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, on this issue we need clear leadership. We need to show who's in control of our resource development and tell industry that they have to listen to us. It's about seriously protecting our environment. Further, Mr. Speaker, one thing people have to learn is it's a privilege to work here in the Northwest Territories, it's a privilege for industry to be doing something here. So because the technical control still may lie in the absentee landlord, also known as Ottawa, we can't forget that the Northwest Territories government still has moral control over our revenues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Collective Action Required To Protect Northern Water Resources
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm also happy to join my colleagues today in speaking about protecting the health of our water and our environment as a whole. In doing so, Mr. Speaker, I'm reminded of the time some 29 years ago when my family and I took our long flight from Seoul, South Korea, to Yellowknife via Osaka, Japan, Vancouver, Edmonton to Yellowknife. I was a young girl and there were certain things I took for granted as being unchangeable cardinal rules that I had to revisit upon arrival in Yellowknife. Such as there are four seasons of even three months in a calendar year or that the sun goes down by 6:00 p.m., even in the middle of the summer. Of course, coming to the land of the midnight sun, it was something I had to change my thinking on, and those are pretty fundamental changes at that age. But one that I would always remember and one that I never thought would change is the sight of countless white spots that I could see from the air. We couldn't figure out what they were until we landed and we had to ask around. We finally figured out these were the frozen lakes in the early spring of May. Coming from the world where there had been summer for a couple of months, I didn't realize that there were so many lakes and that they would still be frozen. Of course, where I come from, there were two-thirds of land mass are mountains with rivers and streams running through them.

One thing, Mr. Speaker, that I also learned and I still can't get over is how big Great Slave Lake is. It's actually almost probably as big as the country of 40 million people that I came from. I always thought that even if everything else changed in the world, that we would always have the water that we could rely on as long as I lived. But almost 30 years later, that is all changing.

Mr. Speaker, one thing I didn't know then but I do know now is that we also live downstream from Alberta. In early '90s various sawmills and timber production companies were the ones that were contaminating our water, but now the insatiable appetite for water in oil sands is making those issues small in comparison. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

Collective Action Required To Protect Northern Water Resources
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee.

Collective Action Required To Protect Northern Water Resources
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to finish by saying we must find a way to do our resource development project in an environmentally sensitive manner. The debate that we're having in this House is a call for challenge for everyone in this House and the leaders near and far to join in a united and collective action to protect our water. I'm happy to put my foot forward and add my voice to this important call for action. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Members' statement. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.

Birthday Greetings To Mary Kendi Of Aklavik
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker...(English not provided)

Good afternoon. I would like to say a big happy birthday to a wonderful lady, Gaegou Mary Kendi of Aklavik who turned 92 yesterday, March 4, 2007.

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Mr. Speaker, Mary is a well-respected elder from Aklavik. So many people have met her over the years and she's touched so many lives in her 92 years, but, more importantly, Mr. Speaker, Mary has always shared her knowledge and wisdom with the younger people.

More importantly, Mr. Speaker, Mary, who is well into her nineties, continues to participate in community meetings. You see her at the different assemblies that go on, and yet, Mr. Speaker, at 92 she's still very active. So, Mr. Speaker it gives me great honour to recognize a great role model and someone who inspires so many people that she has touched over her years, but also, Mr. Speaker, may she have many, many birthdays to come. At this time I would like to, again, wish Mary a very happy 92nd birthday. Happy birthday, Mary.

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Birthday Greetings To Mary Kendi Of Aklavik
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier, Mr. Handley.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize Chief Fred Sangris from the Akaitcho.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Welcome everybody in the gallery today. I hope you're enjoying the proceedings. Oral questions. Honourable Member from Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement I alluded to questions as to what our government's position is on a number of major potential, some more imminent than others, on the Alberta side of the border. In light of the tremendous impact this could have on the Northwest Territories, I'd like the Minister responsible for the environment to detail for us what some of the positions that our government has taken with... Let's talk about the tar sands specifically. We know that there's been an approval process that's been underway and that the Alberta government has basically been given a green light to issue permits and licences to proceed with this expansion. I would like to know what role our government had, if any, in those discussions and what legal right, I guess, we have to participate in that. Thank you.

Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. McLeod.

Return To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last couple of months we've been very busy at ENR trying to get a handle on a number of issues that have come forward, including the issues reflecting some of the concerns on water, climate change and bringing some of our strategies forward. Mr. Speaker, our department has been in contact with a multi-stakeholder group through the department of the Alberta government and the tar sands. We've contacted the Environment Minister and have set up some meetings. We've also been in contact with some of the organizations that have voiced concern. Mr. Speaker, we've now, more recently, just signed off on a framework agreement that will help us work with the Government of Alberta on controlling the water quality and water quantity. So that's gone out the door.

There are still a number of other issues we need to talk about. I've made contact with the Minister of Environment; we've set up a meeting for March 20th -- Honourable Rob Renner -- and are going to talk about some of the issues that have come forward as a result of activity in Alberta. I should point out, Mr. Speaker, that under the Mackenzie River Basin Board's requirements, prior notification protocol, the Government of Alberta has to advise us on any activity that's happening south of the border. Having said that, Mr. Speaker, we have to remember that some of this still falls under federal jurisdiction, so we have contacted the Minister of Environment, Mr. Lunn, and we also have contacted the Minister of Natural Resources. Thank you.

Return To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that's a very good answer, however, I think we need a slightly larger role than to just be advised of what they're going to proceed with on the Alberta side of the border. We need to do more than...

Supplementary To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

Supplementary To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

We need to do more than monitor the development taking place down there. I'd like to ask the Minister what kind of agreements, memorandums of understanding, transboundary agreements, do we currently have in the Northwest Territories with Alberta that would give us the legal teeth to be more than just stakeholders? We're a little more than a stakeholder in this story. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Mr. McLeod.

Further Return To Question 411-15(5): GNWT Position On Alberta Tar Sands Development
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I certainly agree with the honourable Member that we're more than just a stakeholder; we have to deal with all the downstream effects that come through development or climate change or otherwise. Mr. Speaker, it's been several years now that the Mackenzie Valley Basin Board has been in existence and part of the strategy is to sign transboundary agreements with all this jurisdictions. So far, the Northwest Territories is the only jurisdiction that has signed the agreement with the Yukon and now we have just signed the framework agreement. So I think we're ahead of the game. None of the other jurisdictions are at the same level we are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.