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Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I’ll just make some general comments, and then I’ll ask the deputy to fill in the detail. I just want to restate the commitment that we’re going to look and come into the business plan in the fall when we sit down with the committee, and we’ll come forward with that assessment. Some of these positions were added

through supps; they’re specialty positions with water and those types of things. With your indulgence, Mr. Chair, I’ll get the deputy to provide that detail.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you,

Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Bohnet.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bohnet

Basically, all the positions that were identified for Yellowknife were specialty positions, knowing that some of those particular positions — for example, water and some of those ones — may have the potential to be moved to another location. With the initiative just kicking off with some of the major work, particularly in water and land, some of our other project areas, the initial positions, are here because they are specialty-type positions.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you for that commitment. Thank you for the information. I do have a lot of interest in the fire suppression reductions as well, but I know there are other Members who are a lot keener on those particular questions. Rather than repeating ourselves, I won’t ask any more questions. I would like once again to thank you for the clear and concise answers. It’s nice to get answers for a change.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you,

Mr. Abernethy. Not hearing a question there, I’ll move to Mr. Krutko.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

In regard to the Inuvik positions, there are seven positions being lost there. Like I commented earlier, there’s a position in Fort McPherson that’s been let go. This individual made a career of this, working for forestry

every summer.

I’d just like to know: what’s the reason behind that position? What’s the title of that position? Why does it have to be let go?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Mr. Minister.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

There are fire crew positions that were vacant as well. There are a number of interns as well; the one in Fort McPherson is an ’09–10 proposal.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

As I stated, this individual worked there every summer, and I think it’s important those positions that can be retained. Again, the process that was used is something I have questions about.

I would just like to know exactly, with the number of so-called specialist positions…. What’s the cost to implement those specialist positions in Yellowknife compared to doing away with the regional positions, seasonal positions? It sounds like you’ve got all this so-called high-priced help being implemented at the headquarters level, but you’re getting rid of the people who depend on the seasonal employment to get them through the winter.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

The nine fire crews were roughly $1.229 million. The six positions added to Yellowknife.… I don’t know if we have the number, but it would be in the order of, I assume, $600,000.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Then what’s the number of fire crew individuals being let go in regard to the $1.2 million?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

There are five members per crew, I believe, in the standard fire crew, so that would be 45 seasonals. There were another four in Inuvik that were on the GNWT payroll, but they were all vacant.

I’d like to point out — I’ll maybe get Mr. Bohnet to give the details — that almost half of the crews were vacant or asked to have their contract taken back because they didn’t have staff. But, once again, with your indulgence, I’ll get Mr. Bohnet to speak a bit more.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you,

Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Bohnet.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bohnet

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the reduction of the contract for fire crews and fire crews in general, I’ll start with the government crew, which is the Inuvik crew. Three of the five positions had been vacant for the last two years. We had extreme difficulty filling those particular positions.

In regard to the nine contract fire crews, three of the crews had approached ENR to take back the contracts in various regions. I won’t get into the particular locations. But for various reasons — either their corporation got themselves into some type of financial difficulties; they couldn’t find manpower…. In fact, a big one that’s growing more and more is…. The GNWT — when our fire crew is no longer the employer of choice, they’re moving on to some of the areas in the resource development sector. So we had three crews that had come back to us.

We also, in our review of the whole forest management process and the fire-management operation, took a look…. We actually had two crews who fought two fires the entire fire season last year. Another crew went on one mop-up last year. So we were experiencing tremendous difficulty with a lot of the crews, for a number of reasons. It was not only us; the contractors themselves were experiencing a lot of these difficulties. Many of the decisions ENR didn’t even have to make. The contractors made them, because they approached us. Mr. Chairman, I hope that helps a little bit.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

So in order to get rid of 45 individuals, you’re saving $1.2 million. But basically to put six

positions in Yellowknife, it’s going to cost us $600,000. I think that’s kind of ironic that you’re getting six positions for $600,000, but you’re doing away with 45 individuals’ careers by way of these contracts.

Again, I hear the Minister saying, Well, there were only two fire responses last year. Talking to the people in my riding, this is the earliest fire season they’ve ever had. They’re seeing more lightning strikes in the Inuvik region. This is June; we’re already seeing major activity by way of lightning strikes. Fire is starting earlier. Fire season usually runs to the end of August. So I think just assuming, Well, we didn’t have it in the past…. I think, if anything, with global warming we’re going to see more fires than we’ve ever seen before in history. I think people could not assume, Well, they only responded to two fires, so let’s get rid of them. That’s a bad way of dealing with the issue in regard to these positions.

The Inuvik region has gone down from 46 positions last year to 39 positions. I’d just like to know: exactly what are those positions in the Inuvik region?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I seek a bit of clarification from the Member. Does he want to know what the 39 positions in the Beaufort-Delta are? Or did he want to know the seven positions that have been eliminated?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you. Clarification, Mr. Krutko.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I’d just like to know the seven positions that have been let go.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

There were four fire crew members. There was an intern wildlife technician, an intern renewable resource officer and an intern wildlife biologist.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

The wildlife biologist: is that the one that deals with the polar bear issue, in regard to that research?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
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June 10th, 2008

Bohnet

No, it isn’t.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I’ll pass it on.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Moving next to Mr. McLeod.

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’ll be very brief, just following up on some comments made by my colleague from Mackenzie Delta. The four fire crew and three interns — out of these seven, how many of them are aboriginal?

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Environment And Natural Resources
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Bob Bromley

Thank you,

Mr. McLeod. Mr. Miltenberger.