This is page numbers 2957 - 3002 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was fuel.

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Motion 16-16(3): Low Carbon Fuel Standard Carried
Motions

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to briefly speak about this motion as well. We don’t often get a chance to talk in this House and have a discussion where we can exchange thoughts. Generally we talk in a very

specific, often high-minded way about the environment. I think we all share a common concern. It is one of our key principles. There has been a wide ranging discussion here today that has touched on water, cumulative impacts, being residents of the Mackenzie Basin, the need for integrated watershed management, but this motion, as well, speaks very specifically to how we currently do business.

As we have heard from some of my colleagues, we are spending tens of millions of dollars to limit our reliance on fossil fuels. We are going to make significant and I hope long-term commitments to getting all the diesel communities onto some other type of energy within the next, hopefully, five years or so. It is a very ambitious agenda. We are not stopping with that. We are looking at recycling. We are looking at all the other things we can do that are energy efficient.

When we look to our southern borders, while we have strong concerns about what is being done, Alberta is not our enemy. Alberta is our neighbour. We have to work together to come up with the best way possible to protect the Mackenzie River basin watershed. We have to work together to make sure that we have the best plan possible for the tar sands.

Like it or not, we are going to be reliant on oil for some time, probably the rest of our normal living lives here as we look to the future unless something dramatic is discovered. In the meantime, as legislators, as the heads of government, as ones making decisions for our people, we have to be aware of all the things that are happening around us. We have to be aware that sometimes political action may have implementation consequences that we have to be cognizant of. While this is only a recommendation to government and there is work to be done, we do have to be aware of the implications should we choose or should the direction be to proceed down a path.

California is a trend setter, but California and the Northwest Territories is probably 70 degrees difference from their hottest day to our coldest. We have to be sensitive to that. As my colleague Minister Michael McLeod indicated, this is a very complex issue. It will benefit us to know as much as possible. I would suggest a lot of the information on the second part of the motion about the lifecycle analysis, greenhouse gas emissions, when we look at where we are buying our product from, that information would be available. I don’t think we are going to have to reinvent the wheel or spend a lot of our scarce resources doing that kind of research.

Our job I think in the long term is to get us off fuel. I think the plan that we laid out with the alternative energy and all the work we do with hydro, biomass,

geothermal, wind in those areas are going to pay us the big dividends. In the meantime, for those buildings that we are going to continue to heat, we are looking at building standards and all the things necessary to minimize that use.

I think we all want the same thing. We have committed just through this budget passed in this House a couple of days ago for us massive investment I would suggest that no other jurisdiction is doing. We are going to soon have a Water Strategy that no other jurisdiction will have that will give us the foundation, the policy base to sit down and negotiate the bilaterals with Alberta, with B.C., with Saskatchewan and it will give us the foundation to go to the federal/provincial/territorial table to make the case for a national water strategy. Once again, that is a very fundamental, probably the most fundamental issue that is before us. We don’t want to lose sight of that fact.

This latest effort to focus our attention, our political energy, is there. We just have to be careful on how it could be applied or the application that could result from this. I do believe, as Mr. Hawkins said, that this Assembly has embarked upon probably, if I may use the word, the greenest path of any Assembly that I have been involved in the last four Assemblies. Thank you.

Motion 16-16(3): Low Carbon Fuel Standard Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. To the motion. I will allow the mover of the motion for some wrap-up comments. Mr. Bromley.

Motion 16-16(3): Low Carbon Fuel Standard Carried
Motions

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has indeed been an interesting debate. I am very appreciative of all the thoughts and consideration that has been given to the comments today and sharing those.

Mr. Speaker, clearly doing something new can be scary. Being a leader can be challenging. I appreciate the consideration of this and what this is actually calling on this government to do. In my introductory remarks, apparently some people in the Cabinet missed that comment. I would like to repeat that. This motion does not ask the government to change to different products, to ethanol or biofuels or fuels that do not meet Canadian standards for use under conditions of extreme cold. I want to make that clear. I am not proposing a California low carbon fuel standards. I have said that repeatedly. I think some Members, at least on this side of the House, are clearly understanding that.

Somebody mentioned limited supply. Mr. Speaker, 25 percent of the fuel now in western Canada comes from unconventional sources. That could very well be increasing rapidly as we run out of conventional sources. This would require seeking

out those conventional sources and becoming a customer of those things.

Again, Mr. Michael McLeod mentioned that it calls for no unconventional fuel. It does not call for that. It calls for lowering of the average carbon content.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, there have been a lot of comments here that pose this as a you will do this sort of approach. I would like to just briefly reiterate that it calls for undertaking the necessary research and cost-benefit analysis and consider implementing a low carbon fuel standard. It calls for support for the establishment of guidelines through the use of lifecycle analyses that evaluate the greenhouse gas emissions from the production of fuels imported into the Territories. So let’s be clear about what this is calling for, Mr. Speaker.

I have heard Mr. Miltenberger refer to California as a trend setter but I wonder about Ontario, if Ontario could be considered as a trend setter on climate change or indeed the U.S. government or the U.S. military. Would they be considered? Of course, they have adopted a much more stringent Low Carbon Fuel Policy.

Mr. Beaulieu, I appreciated his comments. He understandably doesn’t know what the impacts of this policy would be. Based on what this motion actually calls for, I hope he will change his mind and support the motion because, indeed, what this motion calls for is the answer to that question. What would be the impact of a low carbon fuel standard?

Mr. Speaker, what is the intent of the proposed motion? The proposed motion attempts to ensure that the fuel the GNWT purchases for community resupply and its own operations are not sourced from high carbon fuels such as the Alberta tar sands. Enforcing a low carbon fuel standard is an important addition to comprehensive efforts granted to reduce our overall greenhouse gas emissions. Tar sands production in Alberta represents a growing environmental threat to the NWT, as laid out by speakers today. Compared to conventional oil, it takes much more greenhouse gas emissions to produce tar sands oil and so on. Of course, we are speaking out in support of the Dene leadership resolution.

We have also learned what low carbon fuel is. There is no difference in the products that we are talking about bringing in. In fact, Mr. Speaker, what we are talking about is supporting further those products that we have been using for the last five or eight decades in the Northwest Territories, in our communities. The new fuel is the unconventional stuff. That is the high fuel that is costly in terms of carbon. What we are saying, Mr. Speaker, is let’s go back to that tried and true stuff that actually has low carbon emissions. Again, I want to be clear

about that. Let’s not be baffled by the comments from the Minister of Transportation on this.

The production of tar sands oil that we have heard has many aspects to it that are costly both to our environment and to our pocketbook. The end products are both the same. To be clear, Mr. Speaker, the production of tar sands oil causes 86 kilograms of greenhouse gas emissions for each barrel of oil produced compared to 26 kilograms for conventional oil.

We have also heard that there are a number of other jurisdictions -- Ontario, British Columbia, a number of U.S. states -- that are moving to low carbon fuel standards and I suspect that more will be as time goes by.

In 2008 the GNWT sourced much of its community resupply from California and Korea, as we’ve heard, through the over-the-top resupply and these would be considered low carbon fuels. However, for resupply from Alberta, approximately one-third of our 2008 resupply, as we’ve heard, was purchased with high carbon fuel or tar sands fuel. This motion strongly recommends that with the necessary research and analysis, alternatives to that fuel should be sought so that the average carbon intensity of our fuel goes down over time. It may not be easy, but this is what we’re recommending.

In researching and preparing resupply contracts, government would have to seek and confirm those suppliers who can and will supply information on the origin or blended average of a given batch. As more jurisdictions demand this information, the easier it will become to get it. As proposed, the standard will only apply to fuel purchased by the GNWT. Given the size of the GNWT and the scope of this standard, the GNWT could enforce the low carbon fuel requirements through purchasing policies. As a starting point, the GNWT needs to get information from different sources on the carbon intensities of fuels from different refineries or suppliers likely to bid on the resupply contract.

The GNWT would then have to set some carbon intensity targets for the fuel it buys. Setting these targets will be critical. If it sets the target too low, the target will not be meaningful. If it sets it so high as to preclude any tar sands oil, it may greatly reduce the number of refineries capable of meeting the standard. The GNWT would then calculate the carbon intensity of the batch of fuel based on a particular lifecycle analysis. As a small jurisdiction, it will be important to use an approach that is consistent with ones used in other jurisdictions. To that end, it would make sense for the GNWT to work closely with other Canadian jurisdictions to develop a comprehensive lifecycle analysis and a strong standard.

Initially, it’s possible that the winning supplier will fully meet the carbon intensity target. In the future it is possible that the low carbon intensity supplier will come in at a higher price and, as a result, the GNWT would have to pay a bit more to meet its own standard, or the price will be the same but the distance transported will be greater. On the other hand, if the U.S. government and the federal government introduce carbon cap and trading as expected, tar sands oil will have higher pollution costs and, therefore, it could be more expensive compared to conventional oil. In this case, as an established customer for conventional low carbon fuel, the GNWT may well be positioned for ongoing purchasing opportunities without penalty or even with savings.

I recognize that Minister Michael McLeod played the cost of living card and I found that an interesting strategy. I’m sure it elicited some fear in some people out there, but I think people are becoming more and more knowledgeable about this and what the opportunities are out there.

On the bigger picture side of things, Mr. Speaker, this motion is about clean water, it’s about fighting climate change and it’s about leadership. About recognizing we must now act and take a new path, as my colleague from the Sahtu said. Currently, most of our communities are located in the Mackenzie River watershed downstream of the tar sands. We are, by now, all familiar with the vast and toxic tailings ponds perched on the banks and in the vicinity of the Athabasca River which feeds directly into the Slave and Mackenzie River systems. We know that these man-made reservoirs are leaking to an unknown but significant degree, and that with catastrophic weather or other unpredictable events, there is some degree of risk that one or more could suddenly fail. The results are unthinkable. Except that we have to think about this, about the consequences and about what power we have to influence management of such situations. We need to ask ourselves, Mr. Speaker, how much do we value our clean water and the vibrant land it supports.

We are currently developing an NWT Water Strategy and we hope to eventually negotiate transboundary water agreements to safeguard our water and associated ecosystems. I believe I saw $336,000 in the budget for this, Mr. Speaker. But, Mr. Speaker, Alberta has a reputation as a focused and hard-nosed neighbour. Alberta and B.C. might well respond to our attempts to negotiate but how much more likely would they be to negotiate if there were backup systems to ensure that we had their attention; systems such as leadership and purchasing practices that were tied to our principles and that were supported by all our communities and cultures. To negotiate with Alberta, the NWT will need to be strong, to be clear, and to be a

jurisdiction with a record of performance of leadership and of standards. Adoption and conformance to low carbon fuel is one such decision that can Indicate those standards. Let’s take it to the bank, Mr. Speaker.

On the issue of climate change, we now know that all governments must do everything in their power to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions. In the Northwest Territories we see our Beaufort shoreline receding at an accelerated pace, necessitating the eventual and expensive move of Tuktoyaktuk. We see our wildlife under stress, affecting our diets and our community economies, our highways and building foundations requiring costly rehabilitation, and our sea ice and associated cultures disappearing. Over the past decade Canada has fallen far behind on the issue of climate change mitigation and we’ve gained a sadly deserved and tarnished reputation. We now know what is needed and here in the Northwest Territories we can act decisively.

The low carbon fuel standard does not hold a candle to replacing our use of fossil fuel with renewable energy as it has been highlighted today. Those things we are beginning to do in a big way. It does not have nearly the potential that conservation and increasing energy efficiency can achieve in our communities. Rather, it is meant to be an additional part of our response, an indication that we are aware and acting with that awareness of the need to reduce emissions wherever we can and in a way that supports other goals like clean water and healthy ecosystems that support us from the border to the Beaufort-Delta. We know there are other active partners, such as British Columbia, Ontario and other jurisdictions in North America, and that we can learn from their experience. On this year of the 15th conference of the party to the United

Nations Framework on Climate Change, decisive and knowledgeable leadership and action is needed.

Mr. Speaker, we are not seeking to have the government replace necessary products with lesser quality ones or unacceptable substitutes, as the Minister of Transportation would have you believe. Rather, when purchasing the products needed, find a supplier that produces the products with fewer carbon emissions, typically conventional methods of production as we’ve used for many decades, than those that require high energy inputs and high carbon outputs like tar sands oil. This motion does not seek to reduce our security of supply, but asks that we seek out those reliable suppliers who can meet our needs with conventional low carbon products. In short, it asks that we actually implement the green procurement policy we profess to have.

While adopting a low carbon fuel standard or doing the research and analysis towards this is not the biggest thing we can do, it will be a clear indication that we are a participant on this fast-moving train of cooperative action in response to climate change and threats to our water. It will be making a substantial statement, an indication that we understand the issues and that we have the adaptive management capabilities to take decisive action. It will add to our progressive work to replace fossil needs with new renewable energy wherever we can.

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the many comments made here during debate. I thank my colleagues for the consideration of and perspectives on this issue and the new way of thinking it demands. I look forward to supporting the motion. Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded vote. Mahsi.

Recorded Vote
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. The Member is requesting a recorded vote. Madam Clerk. All those in favour of the motion, please stand.

Recorded Vote
Motions

Principal Clerk Of Committees (Ms. Knowlan)

Mr. Bromley, Mr. Abernethy, Mr. Menicoche, Mr. Ramsay, Mr. Hawkins, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Krutko.

Recorded Vote
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

All those opposed to the motion, please stand.

Recorded Vote
Motions

Principal Clerk Of Committees (Ms. Knowlan)

Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Yakeleya.

Recorded Vote
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

All those abstaining from the motion, please stand.

Recorded Vote
Motions

Principal Clerk Of Committees (Ms. Knowlan)

Mr. Lafferty; Ms. Lee; Mr. Miltenberger; Mr. Roland; Mr. McLeod, Deh Cho; Mr. McLeod, Inuvik Twin Lakes; Mr. McLeod, Yellowknife South.

Recorded Vote
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Results of the recorded vote: seven for, three against, seven abstaining. The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. The honourable Minister of Justice, Mr. Lafferty.

Bill 15: Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2009
Second Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

HON. JACKSON LAFFERTY: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Range Lake, that Bill 15, Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2009, be read for the second time.

Mr. Speaker, this bill corrects inconsistencies and errors in statues of the Northwest Territories. The bill deals with other matters of a minor, non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the statues and repeals provisions that have ceased to have effect. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 15: Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2009
Second Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Bill 15 has had second reading and will be referred to a standing committee.

---Carried

Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 7-16(3), Ministerial Benefits Policy, and Committee Report 4-16(3), Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures Report on the Review of the Report of the Chief Electoral Officer on the Administration of the 2007 Election, with Mr. Krutko in the chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I’d like to call Committee of the Whole to order. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 7-16(3), Committee 4-16(3). What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Abernethy. Mr. Beaulieu.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I move that we report progress.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Motion is on the floor. Motion is not debatable.

---Carried

I will rise and report progress.

Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Could I have the report of Committee of the Whole, please, Mr. Krutko.

Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, your committee would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move

the report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with.

Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Motion is on the floor. Do we have a seconder? The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty.

---Carried

Item 22, third reading of bills. The honourable Minister of Justice, Mr. Lafferty.

Bill 5: Professional Corporations Act
Third Reading of Bills

March 10th, 2009

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

HON. JACKSON LAFFERTY: Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Deh Cho, that Bill 5, Professional Corporations Act, be read for the third time. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 5: Professional Corporations Act
Third Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Bill 5, Professional Corporations Act, has had third reading.

---Carried

The honourable Minister of Finance, Mr. Miltenberger.

Bill 9: Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Protection Act
Third Reading of Bills

Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill 9, Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Protection Act, be read for the third time. Thank you.

Bill 9: Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Protection Act
Third Reading of Bills

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Bill 9, Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Protection Act, has had third reading.

---Carried

Mr. Clerk, item 23, orders of the day.

Orders of the Day
Orders of the Day

Doug Schauerte Deputy Clerk Of The House

Mr. Speaker, orders of the day for Thursday, March 12, 2009, at 1:30 p.m.:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers’

Statements

3. Members’

Statements

4. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

5. Returns to Oral Questions

6. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

7. Acknowledgements

8. Oral

Questions

9. Written

Questions

10. Returns to Written Questions

11. Replies to Opening Address

12. Petitions

13. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

14. Tabling of Documents

15. Notices of Motion

16. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

17. Motions

- Motion 17-16(3), Extended Adjournment of

the House to May 27, 2009

- Motion 18-16(3), Removal of GST for Certain

Goods and Services North of 60

- Motion 19-16(3), Presentation of Final

Report on the Review of the Official Languages Act

- Motion 20-16(3), Appointment of Languages

Commissioner

18. First Reading of Bills

- Bill 16, Supplementary Appropriation Act

(Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2009-2010

19. Second Reading of Bills

20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of

Bills and Other Matters - Tabled Document 7-16(3), Ministerial

Benefits Policy

- Committee Report 4-16(3), Standing

Committee on Rules and Procedures Report on the Review of the Report of the Chief Electoral Officer on the Administration of the 2007 Election

21. Report of Committee of the Whole

22. Third Reading of Bills

23. Orders of the Day

Orders of the Day
Orders of the Day

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Accordingly, this House stands adjourned until Thursday, March 12, 2009, at 1:30 p.m.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 5:15 p.m.