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Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This was an exciting report to do and be involved in. At my house we speak many languages because we have the benefit of my wife having been able to speak her cultural language as well as my in-laws who are able to speak it. You really get a sense of value of language and how it is so important to culture and identity. When you go to communities and you see people lose their language, my heart really goes out to these people and you think of how language is so linked to culture and how when you start to lose the language and the meaning of the culture starts to fall off, my heart really goes out for that type of problem.

Going through this report and this review when we went out there on this special committee, it was exciting to see the participation and the passion by people and saying we have to stop where we are today. We have to get this train back on the tracks and solve this problem. When you get into certain communities such as the Gwich’in, what you will find is you have 250 or 260 speakers of the language left and as many people noted time and time again, the vast majority of those speakers are elders, and five, 10 or 20 years, that could almost permanently devastate that language by losing its… There are a lot of things that need to be sort of taken into account for right now.

This report I think is, first and foremost, a good report. I certainly hope that the government hears the call for action. There are many things that can be done and the recommendations sort of speak to that.

It has just been mentioned by our chairman, Mr. Menicoche, about the details that can be done, but the important thing that I really wanted to highlight during opening comments was the passion of the people wanting to save their languages, to keep them on for the next generation and the generations that follow that. If we can do anything, I would certainly like to see that we build up a partnership of accountability where we allow community groups to be more involved and take control and set the destinies of how they want their languages to be brought back. I would like to see things like a library or a resource centre developed so we can help build centres of expertise. I would like to see more elders brought into the school. They may not have the PhD or the Masters that traditional teachers may have, but there is a real connection when you can bring in someone of that type of experience, and young people can learn a lot even if it is just respect from our older generation. There are a lot of values that could be all tied in.

Although we visited many communities, there is one I wouldn’t mind highlighting, which was Deline. It was really remarkable how people jammed into the community hall there and wanted to talk and

how they, when we were done their meeting, still had a lot to say and wanted to make sure that we heard their voices. My appreciation goes out to that community, because they really threw themselves into making sure that they wanted to be heard. Yet again, I continue to use the word “passion” because it is so important. The passion and fight for wanting to make sure that their language survives was brilliant.

I don’t know if other people mentioned it, but the first leg of our community outreach in getting information, we had Mr. Beaulieu and I, from my perspective, would like to thank him for joining the committee. He is not a typical committee member, but we needed more folks to make sure that the review had enough membership and a good quality diverse membership. I want to thank him for joining on, because his participation helped and I thought it was great.

Mr. Chairman, the report is only as good as with what we do with it. If this turns out to be another expensive report that finds itself in a nice pretty or fashionable way on a shelf and something we can say we did but we do nothing with it, we wasted everyone’s time. The report is as good as we want to empower it, as well. Here is the enabling opportunity to make change. It really will come down to interests and measurement and, of course, the almighty dollar. I am hoping what gets proven out of this process is a plan that says, wait a minute, what is more important? Is it the money or is it finding a way to solve this problem? I certainly hope that someone will take account and say languages will be more important at this time to save than say it costs a little too much this time, maybe we should ignore it. When the languages become extinct, it will cost us a lot more money trying to find ways to bring it back after it is gone and I think it would be a real loss.

Back to what I talked about at the very start. From my own experience, language is very important in my household, so I have a deep appreciation for how important languages are across the Northwest Territories. Growing up here all my life, I have always known people and I always had a lot of respect for people who can speak more than one language. You can see a lot of pride taken in people who do this and you could also see a lot of sadness in people who can’t communicate with their children or their grandchildren because there is that disconnect.

Mr. Chairman, I just want to finish off with this last point. Language to me is a bridge between the cultures and the generations. It is a shame that some of these bridges have been falling apart. Now is the time to repair them. I look forward to government taking strong account to this in finding ways to bring it back. With Minister Lafferty who is in his own right someone in the Dogrib region that

they really aspire to because he speaks his own language. He presides over his region as a role model who uses his language regularly. I am hoping that type of leadership in that department will say this is so important. We are going to do something now. If we don’t have the money, well, we will find the money and we will find ways to make it work. Mr. Chairman, with that, I wish to thank committee for being part of this report and helping make it possible. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Next on my list is Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Languages embody whole ways of knowing. They are the context and the carriers for the unique accumulated and customized and even hard won knowledge that has enabled a people to thrive in a particular and often demanding environment. As such, we cannot allow them to expire, to dwindle away.

The comprehensive languages review that we are hearing about here today and yesterday has provided firm direction that will hopefully help ensure the preservation and ongoing use of our languages, but the task is, clearly, large. I think we have lost about two thirds of the languages in the world. Unfortunately, the trend in our aboriginal languages in the Northwest Territories is not good. I think this committee has recognized this and proposed a great plan. I am hopeful and I am committed to ensuring that the government will actually adopt it. And then we face the big challenges of implementing it.

Certainly I have concluded that there is really an excellent quality to the analysis and preparation of the options and the presentation of the materials in the report. This is really great work. I would like to offer my appreciation and congratulations to the committee, their hardworking staff and the many language practitioners and promoters who have contributed to this work.

I fully endorse the approach of dealing with the provision of government services under new specifically targeted legislation and the separate effort on the protection and promotion of languages through policy and/or legislation. Whichever it is, a priority for me will be that the chosen approach be clear and there be good evaluation of the effectiveness of it, particularly in regards to the protection and expansion of aboriginal language use.

Of course, the reason we are talking about this in this way today is that the approach we have taken in the past has not been effective. The biggest challenge we face is that lack of success aggravates itself over short time frames. This brings me to what I regard as the largest opportunity that we have in language promotion and that studies of

the development of the human brain have shown and that is early childhood education.

I know the Department of ECE, Education, Culture and Employment, is promoting language nests, I believe the term is used, where there is work starting to happen with very young people, little people. This is where we have a huge opportunity to make progress on this. It is well demonstrated that if very small children from birth or even from before birth up to the age of three or four years of age are exposed to use of languages, traditional languages, they develop the ability to pick up those languages whether or not that is pursued early in life or later. Those first few years are critical. I hope that we actually will move to recognize that in programs that are put in place.

This is a large report and a large plan and it’s going to take big resources. It’s also going to take time. It’s going to take time to implement. We need to be talking to the Government of Canada on legislation and so on. In recognition of this, the committee has included a transitional provisions program. To me, the importance of that cannot be stressed enough. Because this plan will take time to put in place and to fund, we really need immediate and short-term actions to be set in place right away. So I hope this government will recognize that right away and read that provision first and get it going while we do the heavy slogging to get this really good plan adopted and actually in place.

I think that’s really what I wanted to say. Again, the diverse ways of knowing what languages provide are based on the intimate relationships with the land and the different areas of the land, the different environments out there that have developed over eons. As many people know, we are facing a lot of challenges, increasing challenges as human society across the globe. We are seeing big changes in the North, right down to our precipitation and the way we travel on the land, the safety that we used to be able to use, the traditional knowledge to ensure safety and so on, those things are changing. There is so much knowledge in each language that we have and we have 11 official languages and we need to hang onto that knowledge. Yes, we do need to adapt our languages as time goes on and the report addresses that, but to me this is extremely important; diversity of languages and the knowledge held therein is in the order of environmental diversity and the need to preserve that.

So that’s my comments, Mr. Chair. Thank you for that opportunity and I look forward to seeing this put in place. Thank you.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Next on my list is Ms. Bisaro.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to add my voice of appreciation to the comments that have

already been made. There is not much new I would add, but I want to put my own stamp on my thoughts regarding this work. I certainly am appreciative of the work of the committee. This is a very comprehensive and in-depth report. They did a great deal of work to get the report to this stage and I think the committee members and the staff that worked with the committee members to produce this document are to be commended.

The preservation of language, no matter which language, is extremely important and is something we have recognized, I think, in some of our goals and objectives and through our strategic planning documents. But at the moment, you know, the analysis that the committee did and the results that they have produced in this document pretty much indicate that we are not doing what we should be doing to preserve our language. Many of the general principles that come out in this document mirror my own thoughts. I felt for some time that if we really believe in the preservation of our 11 official languages, we ought to be doing more than what we have been doing.

I see that there is -- and these are mirroring some of the comments in the report -- a distinct lack of an organized approach to the preservation of our languages. Adequate dollars have not been diverted, directed towards the delivery of our language programs, towards the management and accountability of our programs and to the promotion of our languages and to research and development to preserve our languages. So all those areas I don’t think we’ve devoted enough resources to and it’s evident in the fact that language, use of aboriginal languages and all our languages, aboriginal languages particularly, is declining.

The report points out some of the faults or the lack of authority of the Commissioner and it goes to, again, the inability of preservation of languages and use of languages. I feel that there is a lack of support, currently, through policy in the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and a lack of support for HR capacity relative to languages.

I thoroughly approve of the proposed reorganization of structure as it’s laid out in the report. I think if it’s a priority for this Assembly to preserve languages to make sure that our aboriginal languages are going to continue, then we have to take action. We have it as one of our priorities, but I really again have to state that I don’t think we are putting enough resources towards that particular priority. I hope, as my colleague Mr. Bromley mentioned a few moments ago, that our business plans are going to reflect the necessary direction of funds towards languages and working towards increasing the language education in schools, outside of schools, promotion, all those things that need to be done.

I want to see that the business plans show a change of direction from the current and an increased focus on language. You know the expression “we have to put our money where our mouth is,” I think that’s something we need to think seriously about as we go forward with looking at business plans and setting priorities for the next budget. If language really is important, then we need to devote the resources to it.

I hope, as other Members have stated, that this report is...I hope we act on it. I hope it’s not a report which we simply take, say nice things about it and then basically don’t do the actions. It’s really important that we carry through on this. I agree with Mr. Bromley again when he says that it’s going to take time. It’s going to take a long time, but we can do one thing at a time, one foot in front of the other and we will get to the point where our preservation of language will be better than it is today. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Next on my list is Mr. Jacobson.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jackie Jacobson

Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Myself, too, I would like to thank the committee and the staff for all the hard work that was put into the report. First of all, I hope it doesn’t just get put on the shelf and let the dust gather on it.

Language is so important. I mean, we have 11 official languages in the Northwest Territories and being born and raised in Tuk, it’s Inuvialuit. It’s so important. I mean, you used to be able to do traditional harvesting with your grandparents. You used to be able to understand them when they’re speaking, but now it was out of the system for the last 15 years now, but the IRC is really taking initiative on itself and putting it back into preschools and from K to 6, which I am really proud of in the Inuvialuit settlement region and Nunakput.

Saving our language and our culture is a big thing. It shouldn’t rely on just how much funding we are going to get. It’s too important. We have to take the initiative and these next steps to preserve it.

I would also like to thank all the people who showed up while we were on our community tour and who are really interested in saving and preserving the culture and our language. We do have 11 official languages, so we have a big task at hand to not only promote but to serve the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson. I have nobody else on my list. Is there anybody who has some additional general comments? Is committee agreed that there are no more general comments?

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

What is the wish of the committee? Mrs. Groenewegen.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that we report progress.

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Glen Abernethy

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. There is a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is non-debatable.

---Carried

Committee Motion 48-16(3): Rules And Procedures Report 5-16(3): Late Filing Fees, Carried
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Can I have report of Committee of the Whole, please? Mr. Abernethy.

Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

May 28th, 2009

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Committee Report 5-16(3), Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures Auxiliary Report on the Review of the Report of the Chief Electoral Officer on the Administration of the 2007 Election; Committee Report 6-16(3), Standing Committee on Government Operations Final Report on the Review of the Official Languages Act, 2008-2009: Reality Check: Securing a Future for the Official Languages of the NWT; and Bill 14, An Act to Amend the Motor Vehicles Act, and would like to report progress, with five motions being adopted and that Committee Report 5-16(3) is concluded and that Bill 14, An Act to Amend the Motor Vehicles Act, is ready for third reading. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with.

Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Can I have a seconder for the motion? Mr. Menicoche. ---Carried

Report of Committee of the Whole
Report of Committee of the Whole

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Item 22, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, orders of the day.

Orders of the Day
Orders of the Day

Tim Mercer Clerk Of The House

Mr. Speaker, there will be a meeting of Caucus tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m.

Orders of the day for Monday, June 1, 2009, at 1:30 p.m.:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers’

Statements

3. Members’

Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions

5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Acknowledgements

7. Oral

Questions

8. Written

Questions

9. Returns to Written Questions

10. Replies to Opening Address

11. Petitions

12. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

13. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

14. Tabling of Documents

15. Notices of Motion

16. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

17. Motions

18. First Reading of Bills

- Bill 17, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 2008-2009

- Bill 18, Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), No. 1, 2009-2010

- Bill 19, Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2009-2010

19. Second Reading of Bills

20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of

Bills and Other Matters -

Tabled Document 7-16(3), Ministerial Benefits Policy

- Committee Report 6-16(3), Final Report on the Review of the Official Languages Act, 2008-2009: Reality Check: Securing a Future for the Official Languages of the Northwest Territories

- Bill 6, Species at Risk (NWT) Act

21. Report of Committee of the Whole

22. Third Reading of Bills

- Bill 14, An Act to Amend the Motor Vehicles Act

23. Orders of the Day

Orders of the Day
Orders of the Day

The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Monday, June 1, 2009, at 1:30 p.m.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 1:53 p.m.