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Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
Oral Questions

October 20th, 2013

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today as a complement to my Member’s statement earlier today on net metering and what huge opportunity this has portrayed with Northerners to think globally and to really act locally. We have an opportunity here as a government to make sure that those customers who have taken this risk, that they get full benefit of their investments, and in doing so, we have an opportunity as a government to make sure that we are staying ahead of the pack with

incentives and opportunities for those people who deal with self-generation power initiatives.

So my questions today are for the Minister who is in charge of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation. To the Minister: Do we know what the actual kilowatt credit dollar amount will be for customers that NTPC will give back to residents that want to put electricity back onto the grid and will there be any difference between a thermal or a hydro zone? Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. The Minister responsible for NWT Power, Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
Oral Questions

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The intent is to provide a reimbursement of the retail rate for the kilowatt hour alternative energy that’s generated and supplied back to the grid. Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
Oral Questions

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you. So what we’re hearing from the Minister is we’re going to be giving a retail rate back. I guess to put things in perspective, how close is that to the production costs to us as an organization to this rate? Is there a difference, or is the retail rate pretty close to what it would cost to produce that rate? Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. If the Member is interested, we can pull together what we think the cost will be on a community-by-community basis for the two zone bases, the thermal zone and the hydro zone. But clearly it’s not going to be the full cost that the Power Corporation has to pay to generate hydro, so the retail rate would be different. Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
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Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I welcome that information. I’m sure Members of the committee would recommend that it get that as well.

It is documented in some jurisdictions that net metering credits that customers receive are sometimes in the order of two to three times higher than the standard kilowatt base rate, or we heard today is retail rate. Was this something that was discussed as an opportunity, as an incentive for people to put money into solar power? Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

The rate of power already has a significant subsidy from the government. In addition, we have a significant number of rebate programs that are encouraging people to invest in alternative energy, be it biomass, solar, even wind, buying new stoves, buying the equipment that they need to get engaged in the production of the alternative energy. But there’s no other specific subsidy that’s attached to this net metering. Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
Oral Questions

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess what we’re trying to do here is think of ways or

incentives so that we can entice those people to start making the investment, because it is very expensive and we do appreciate the money that we do give. But has the GNWT talked about any other type of financial incentives to go alongside what is currently available federally, as potentially consumer-friendly loans, remissible grants, tax credits, or even rewards programs for those who want to take advantage of the self-power opportunities? Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. When net metering was initially looked at, the focus was to entice and encourage folks in the thermal community, where the costs are very, very significantly higher than the hydro zone. We’ve built this array of supports, but the issue of the taxation, of loans, those types of things have not been considered. We have to wait and see how it works in the hydro zone where we’ll, in effect, be exchanging one type of renewable energy for another as opposed to the thermal zone where we know we’re going to be replacing diesel with solar or wind, whatever other alternative energy is used. Thank you.

Question 342-17(4): Power Generation Net Metering Program
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. The Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to address my questions today to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. I want to follow up on my statement where I talked about the amendments to the Education Act. I stated in my statement that the issue of bullying and cyber-bullying is not just an issue that belongs within the Education department or within our schools. It is a societal issue.

I’d like to know from the Minister whether or not – albeit I’m glad that we have these amendments going forward – the Minister and or other departments within the government are considering plans for other legislation. I’d like to ask the Minister how he intends to address bullying in the workplace, for instance. Thank you.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since there was a request by the standing committee of this Legislative Assembly, we’ve initiated our own research and conducted various analyses, and I’ll say engaged the general public, as well, and also the standing committee went out to seek information and input from the general public. The legislation and Safe Schools Plan have been developed through this process. It is an area

that pertains to my Education portfolio, where we’re going to be amending our Education Act.

When we talk about territorial-wide, it’s beyond my mandate. What we’re focusing on is the Education Act alone because it pertains to the schools and the teachers that we’re responsible for. If it’s beyond the other departments, I’m working closely with the Justice department, as well, if that’s the case, to initiate the process. We are working closely with the standing committee on those changes as we move forward. Mahsi.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I didn’t hear an answer to my question there, except I think it was a no. But the Minister said that the amendments that have been developed are dealing with stuff that falls within his department, but I’m sure that this issue was discussed at Cabinet before the amendments were brought forward. So I still put the question out there: How is this government going to address workplace bullying, because it does exist there, and how is this government going to address bullying that happens outside of our schools?

One of the things that is quite evident when you look at the literature around bullying, is that bullying is the result of a problem; that an individual has a difficulty, that they have run into some kind of maybe it’s a mental health issue or another issue, and it needs to be addressed. The root causes of bullying are something which are not really spoken about.

I’d like to ask the Minister what are in the plans of the Education department if these amendments are passed. What are the plans of the department to address the root causes for victims, for bullies and for bystanders? Thank you.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi. This is, I believe, in my view, a gradual step towards dealing with the bullying issue in our schools. Also, working with the Justice department, because the Justice department works closely with the federal government, whether it be the cyber-bullying, there’s other legislation within the Justice department that we need to work closely with.

At the same time, in 2003 we established the NWT Safe Schools Working Group that consists of DEAs, DECs, NWTTA, MACA, the Human Rights Commission, Health and Social Services and Justice. This is an active committee that is engaged when we talk about the whole legislation. Also, the territorial Safe Schools Action Plan has been developed through this process. So if we’re talking beyond the schools, then that’s out of my mandate. My mandate is to deal with the Education Act and make some amendments to that, and I need to work closely with the Justice department when we talk about other department jurisdictions, because we have to deal with the Human Resource department as well. Thank you.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I am, unfortunately, dismayed to hear the Minister say, not in my backyard. I would hope that he, as a Minister, that if bullying is important to him, that he would push it with the other Ministers and bring forward some legislation to address the bigger issue of bullying.

One of the things, though, that was in the motion which the House passed in February of 2012, part of the motion spoke to an education and awareness campaign. It was asked for and it was intended to be territory-wide.

I would like to ask the Minister what plans are in place to put in place an education and awareness campaign on bullying and cyber-bullying. Thank you.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
Oral Questions

Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

To deal with the bullying in schools, it is very important to us. We need to eliminate the bullying in schools. As the Minister responsible for Education, it is very important to me.

With respect to the media, how we are going to correspond and the communications plan for education awareness, we are moving forward on those action plans. We need to develop communication tools so we can work with the DECs, MACA, the Justice department, Health and Social Services and other departments that are responsible for their part in this as well. We are doing what we can to deal with the bullying in our schools and also in our communities. Mahsi.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Colleagues, before we go on today, I would like to recognize Mr. Gerald Gerrand in our House today, our Conflict of Interest Commissioner, who is in the gallery with us today. Welcome, Mr. Gerrand.

---Applause

And with him is Mr. David Jones of Edmonton. Welcome to the Assembly, Mr. Jones.

---Applause

Thank you. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for his response. Unfortunately, I didn’t hear in there that we have plans for a territorial-wide campaign to educate not just the schools but the people outside the schools, parents, people in the workplace and so on.

I would like to ask the Minister, he says that there is a communications plan being developed, he talked about a couple of other things that are being developed, I would like to know from the Minister when we can see this communications plan or awareness plan or whatever it is going to be. When are we going to see that rolling out? Thank you.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Mahsi. When it comes to bullying, we have to hear from the students, so we are developing an awareness

campaign that will give a voice to the students themselves, and also speaking about the truth and the hurt involved when people are bullied. So these are some of the areas that we are moving forward on, on awareness. With respect to dates, I will have to get back to the Member on the exact date that it will be distributed.

Again, we are working with different departments and different organizations, because when we talk about bullying, it is very broad, so we are moving forward on this through our Education Act amendments. Mahsi.

Question 343-17(4): Anti-Bullying Provisions
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The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Member for Weledeh, Mr. Bromley.

Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions
Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment. I was just informed this morning that ITI is putting on fracking education workshops in Norman Wells and Fort Good Hope this afternoon and tomorrow. These workshops have been, apparently, planned for a long time and yet I have just learned of them today.

I am wondering what role the Ministers of the Environment and Education might have had in developing these workshops. I am wondering: Could the Minister please explain the purpose of these education sessions? Mahsi.

Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you Mr. Bromley. Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment, Mr. Ramsay.

Question 344-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Education Sessions
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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a lot of misinformation out there when it comes to hydraulic fracturing, and the Northwest Territories is no different.

It has been suggested many times that we do more community meetings and workshops when it comes to hydraulic fracturing. At the suggestion of the community of Fort Good Hope, who wanted a third-party workshop to be set up in the communities in the Sahtu – the Member mentioned the communities of Norman Wells and Fort Good Hope – this week. We are also hoping to have meetings take place in Deline and also Tulita. The meeting in Fort Good Hope, folks from Colville Lake will be brought in to that meeting, as well, this week.

It is not a sales pitch by industry. It is being carried out by a third party, a neutral third party. The Indian Resources Council will be delivering the workshop. The more education we can do on the hydraulic fracturing here in the Northwest Territories, the better off we will be.

The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment is fully committed to ensuring people have all the information when it comes to hydraulic

fracturing here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.