Okay, and thanks for that information. There are a couple of big costs there, for sure. Now, we’re just starting this, I guess, with the liquid natural gas. Can we expect that these total energy costs will remain higher like this and we can expect additional requests or that our budgets will be bigger for Housing Corporation utilities in those areas? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The infrastructure costs, the conversion costs are going to be one time for the synthetic natural gas. There has, in fact, been a modest decrease in overall consumption. So as the energy issues both in Norman Wells and Inuvik play out, we’ll see where we end up, finally, when it comes to an ongoing energy source.

There also has been, not so much in the Housing Corporation, but there’s been a migration by a lot of individuals to biomass and other forms of heating energy that they control on their own just because of the uncertainty. But we anticipate that the costs, those start-up costs won’t be ongoing. Thank you.

Thanks to the Minister. My last question on this, given the higher costs for these utilities, and particularly in the two problem areas mentioned by Mr. Lovely, can we expect the Minister will ensure, as we go forward, that will be brought into the full-cost accounting? In consideration of alternative sources it might be less costly and provide other benefits. Thank you.

Yes, Mr. Chairman. We pride ourselves on trying to do that full-cost accounting in all its aspects and we’ll, in this case, note the Member’s concerns and we’ll do that. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Dolynny.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just before we leave this area here, just so we get an

understanding of the full-cost accounting, this $1.645 million that is considered not previously authorized, what percentage of this number is in relationship to the overall costs of heating fuel and electricity for public housing? What percentage does this represent? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Lovely.

Thank you, Mr. Lovely. Mr. Dolynny.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The purpose for my question with that is it has to do with just some facts that we do know. The fact that, number one, our inventory of public housing has not changed in the last year, so we were led to believe that we were dealing with same inventory issues. We’ve also been told in this House and other forums that we have seen roughly about an 8 percent savings in retrofits and in doing more energy-smart initiatives to make our public infrastructure that much more economic. So right away we should see savings in design. We know there’s been roughly about a 7 percent increase in electrical costs during that same given year. So if you start adding up all the numbers, Mr. Chair, that’s why I want to know whether or not that percent increase is within what I consider the norm. Not to mention the fact that we heard earlier today that some of the costs were due to conversion of oil to LNG, which really begs the question, is that operational costs or is that a small capital infrastructure changeover for equipment. So really I’m personally thinking maybe that’s not the right category that we should be looking at as an operational cost.

So without knowing that variable of whether or not that percent increase is the norm, given what I just stated as facts that we’ve had here in the House, I have a hard time with that number. So unless you’re able to provide it, I have a hard time accepting that number today. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Minister Miltenberger.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The universal number is there. So the Member wants to know the breakdown. We’ve got heating costs, we’ve got electricity costs, we’ve got conversion costs for synthetic natural gas, power rates have gone up, as the Member has indicated, the price of synthetic natural gas is high. So at one point the Member is saying there’s a problem with the $1.6 million, or is he wanting to know the breakdown in a tighter, clarified way that would allow us to put percentages on what does the heating fuel cost of 7 percent for electricity, as he’s

indicated, the conversion costs account for 30 percent, 40 percent of the $1.6 million? I’m not quite sure what the Member is taking exception to in terms of not being able to support this number. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Dolynny.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My intention is not to belittle the question. It’s just that the fact remains that we’ve got some consistent facts or variables that I consider baseline and without knowing what this number means in relationship to the overall costs of heating and electricity for our public housing, there’s nothing to gauge whether or not $1.645 million is reasonable, given the facts we know today. So unless we’re able to baseline this number in relationship to what is considered a fair increase, that has yet to be seen and we don’t have that information today.

So again, I’m at the Minister’s mercy to agree to something to which we’re not prepared to discuss here today. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Lovely.

I didn’t do that last math quickly enough here, but can we get a clarification on the electricity what that percent increase is over and above the base? Thank you.

I appreciate Mr. Lovely and the Minister for indulging me to get this number. I think with that number it should make a bit more sense and I appreciate them sharing that information today. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Deputy minister’s office, not previously authorized, $1.645 million. Total department, not previously authorized, $1.645 million.

Page 6, Public Works and Services, operations expenditures, asset management, not previously authorized, negative $546,000. Mr. Bromley.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a quick question. So we’re saving this because of efficiencies realized through our energy saving

measures. What period of time is this for and would we know how many facilities this has been provided from? I’m trying to get a sense of what this means of all the work we’ve been doing. Thank you.