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Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. As we had shared information in terms of our projections, but this project is seen to be a revenue generator over time. Once we pay down the capital investment costs, the remote sensing operation out of Inuvik, which is the anchor tenant, would be the main revenue generator where we have countries, and agencies, and departments lined up to put in satellites and rent space on our fibre optic line, and then there will also be the ancillary benefits tied into the putting in of the fibre optic line into all the communities down the valley as we install the main line. So over time this is going to, and I’m talking decades, that this is anticipated to be a net revenue generator I think “par excellence.”

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Are there investment opportunities here? Will the government make money on this? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. We’re looking at two things here, but we’re going to be, from the start and on into the future, a major partner in this if we go out to Aboriginal governments. Once the debt is paid off it will generate revenue. What we’re looking at is what would be a more modest than would be normal return on investment so that we can make our best efforts to keep the cost of service into the communities as reasonable as possible, which we think will generate a longer-term benefit and get us more customers. So, yes, there is going to be revenue generation and it’s also going to have

some broader economic impacts. The Member talks about will we look at full cost accounting, and full cost impacts and benefits to the communities where they will have significant, we believe, opportunities in each community. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you. Yes, the Minister is outlining many of the reasons that I support this project, but I’m striving for transparency here, as I’m sure he realizes. So, yes, this will generate revenues once it’s paid off. I’ve had a lot of investments on the basis of that. Some of them manage to get paid off and others didn’t. How long do you think, is there a forecast on paying this off? I realize in a full costing accounting approach that, in fact, there are many benefits that should accrue very early on the moment that things are hooked up here. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. We’re projecting a fairly aggressive repayment schedule of about 10 years.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Mr. Bromley, your time is expired. Let me know if you need back on. I have Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have to start with my pet peeve and that’s the amount of money that’s in “other.” I talked about this a lot. I thought we’d gotten rid of that, Mr. Minister, and I understand the explanation. But if it’s an amount that’s $50,000 or $200,000 then it probably isn’t too much, but when we have an “other” of $13 million, although I appreciate that $8 million of it is the debt, it’s a little difficult to sort of look at the budget and kind of go yeah, yeah, we just have $13 million of undescribed money. I’ll just leave that at that.

I wanted to talk a bit about insurance and self-insurance programs as listed under the activity description. What self-insurance programs do we run or do we have? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. For that we’ll go to Mr. Aumond.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We run, I guess, our own self-insurance programs for our assets that we have as a GNWT that we insure. We have premiums that we pay for others as well.

With respect to the Member’s comments about other expenses, I appreciate the comments and we will endeavour to see what we can do to provide more clarification for next year.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I appreciate Mr. Aumond’s efforts to try to get rid of “other.” With regard to our GNWT assets, we are responsible for them so we are self-insuring our own assets, but there are always risks when we have assets and the risk of loss. I think there’s a program called Property Impairment Reporting Program for GNWT buildings. Could I get confirmation that that is a program that we use to assess risk on our GNWT assets?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

In part, we do use that program and there are other programs that our underwriter, for those assets that we do procure insurance on, direct us to undertake in conjunction with the fire marshal and others to provide all types of inspections and make sure that we have not only preventative maintenance programs that our Department of Public Works and Services would undertake on everybody’s behalf but also to make sure that the people who occupy the building and operate the building use it in a way that is consistent with what the underwriter or broker is directing.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

I just want to follow up. In terms of risk management, do we feel comfortable that we have a really good handle on all of our buildings, all of our GNWT assets in terms of the insurance risk and risk of loss, I guess for lack of a better way of putting it?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Mr. Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are reasonably happy. There are many things we don’t control when it comes to risk management. For example, the majority of our communities are in the middle of the Boreal Forest. There are more and more extreme weather events across the land. The whole concept of stationarity, which is the predictability of those types of occurrences, has all but disappeared. The insurance business, in fact, no longer looks at stationarity because it makes forecasting and doing insurance, and making projections almost impossible. Given a number of those broader major variables, we believe we have a reasonable handle on the issue of risk management.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

My next question has to do with assets which have been downloaded, so to speak, from GNWT to municipalities. As municipalities have taken over their own control of their communities, many buildings have been devolved from GNWT down to the municipalities. In terms of insurance and risk management of those buildings, do we have any hand in that or is that totally the responsibility of the municipality?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

We worked with communities to set up an insurance program for the communities and we invest money in that. A number of years ago we were all being collectively put in the poorhouse by the usurious insurance rates companies were charging, and we went to a self-financing one in the North and we invest in that. It’s cost effective. It’s done through NWTAC.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Just one last question. The Minister just said that we still put money into NORCIX to the NWT Self-Insurance Program. I thought we had stopped doing that.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. For that we’ll go to Mr. Aumond.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Member is correct; the GNWT does not provide a direct contribution to NORCIX, but the GNWT does provide money and, in some cases, provides specific funding to purchase insurance to communities so that they can procure the insurance through NORCIX or any other avenue they wish to pursue.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

March 6th, 2013

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Continuing with questions I have Mr. Bouchard.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a question about the fibre optic link contribution, the $7 million. Is that an interest cost or can we capitalize it?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. For that we’ll go to Mr. Kalgutkar.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The payment is really a marker to give us a negotiating mandate to how we’re going to structure the actual corporation that’s going to manage the Fibre Link Project for us. As I noted before, the first payment is going to be towards the capex of the project, so the first is a $7 million contribution to whomever the entity is that manages the project towards the capital costs and then the ongoing payment of $7 million to offset the debt servicing costs. As the Minister alluded to before, in the early days there are not sufficient revenues to generate sufficient cash to pay down the debt so the GNWT is assuming that risk, and the $7 million is to help offset that risk. Going forward, as the Inuvik satellite facility grows, the amount of that payment should decline as well. The amount of the payments also will depend on how we structure the ownership of the corporation.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Just for my clarity, then, this is a payment we’re going to make to an entity that takes in all the partners in the fibre optic link.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. For that we’ll go to Mr. Aumond.