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Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

We get revised amounts monthly, but the date by which most returns are in is October, so October is a month we look to to get more certainty.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

My last one. I see our federal transfer grant from Canada still remains a very large proportion of our budget, and I believe 2014 was the end of our current agreement on the formula for that. Could we just get an update? Does

that happen during this fiscal year we’re discussing, and where are we in renewing and is there anything that concluded that the Minister could share with us?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

This arrangement, the Territorial Formula Financing will be a status quo arrangement until 2018-19, the same commitment that was given by Minister Flaherty when we, as well, with the health transfer and the social transfer.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thanks for that information. Does that mean the same sort of rate of increase, or does it mean the amount we’re getting this year is what we’re getting annually until ’18-19?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

The criteria for the formula stay the same, so it’s still governed by things like tax effort and the amount of money spent in other jurisdictions. And their operations, as I indicated in my budget address, we anticipate with the deficit reduction going on across the land, that our formula could be affected negatively, but the criteria and all the elements of the formula have been left in place until 2018-19, but we’re still bound by those variables.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger. Committee, we’re on 5-9, Finance. Mr. Bouchard.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’m just looking at the taxation revenues. I’m just looking at the projection, the main estimates for 2012-13 and ’13-14. Obviously, we’re seeing an increase, if you compare those numbers, but the revised estimates have us at $312 million. I’m just wondering why we wouldn’t project that same type of number and why that number has jumped up from our main estimates and would we not expect that in the future years to come?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard. For that we’ll go to Mr. Aumond.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Personal income tax and corporate income tax, by their nature, are volatile. The reason we had the bump in 2012-13 to the revised estimates is we had, in particular with corporate income tax, a couple of companies that filed for previous years and restated their taxes over and above the estimate that Canada provides us. Companies can go back and file taxes for up to seven years. We had a couple of large companies do that this past year, which is the main reason for the increase in the taxes. When we try to project what is going to happen further, we take some guidance from Canada but also what is going on in the territory. If we discount those companies that re-filed, then we are just projecting a modest increase over what we had projected at the beginning of last year. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert Bouchard

Robert Bouchard Hay River North

That’s it. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Committee, we are on 5-9, Finance, information item, revenue summary. Any questions?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Page 5-10, Finance, information item, active position summary. Any questions?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you. Page 5-13, Finance, activity summary, deputy minister’s office. Mr. Bromley.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would just like to get on top of this business. The contributions to the NWT Power Corporation are not territorial power subsidy funding. Am I right in that assertion? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

That’s correct.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Okay, thank you. I see that the last year we contributed $10.6 million to the general rate application. That is a subsidy, I believe, to electricity rates and that’s dropping to $3.5 million for this proposed fiscal year. Will that continue in future years? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. For that we’ll go to Mr. Kalgutkar.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That’s correct. For the 2014-15 fiscal year it’s going to drop to about 1.3 or 1.4 million dollars. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you. Now, the Inuvik gas contribution I see $5 million last year, $5.9 million proposed for this year. What is the status of that? Are we expecting that to continue as well? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Mr. Chair, the Member is correct. It is going to continue on for the next few years, and then it will also drop off after the 2015-16 fiscal year. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

So these are subsidies in addition to the territorial power subsidy?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole on Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daryl Dolynny

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. For that we’ll go to Minister Miltenberger.