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Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Chair. I see again a substantial increase here. Could I just get a little summary of what that’s all about? Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Ms. Magrum.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Magrum

Thank you, Madam Chair. The energy division has increased by approximately $2.5 million in energy initiatives. That’s the reason for the increase. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Magrum. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you. I see an increase there of about $1.5 million. How is this related to, or perhaps I could ask, I see this is through the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Climate Change Committee of Cabinet. Could I get some clarification on what greenhouse gas emissions – I assume that’s what we’re talking about here – are being achieved through this work and how it relates to the Greenhouse Gas Strategy? Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Ramsay.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair, Mr. Chair. I’m going to go to Deputy Minister Vician for a response to that question.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Vician.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
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Peter Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you for the question. The Member is correct. The initiatives that are identified under the energy appropriation on this page reflect direction from the Minister’s Energy Coordinating Committee but by no means are the full suite of all the MECC’s guidance, those are distributed among a number of different departments. I’ll speak to the particular projects that are reflected in this appropriation proposed, but let me say that all of these contribute overall to our climate change objectives and our reduction of greenhouse gas emissions for the territory.

Emphasis in the initiatives that are identified here and, as you may note, the compensation and benefits is essentially the same, but the grants and contributions have changed and the specific project energy initiatives that are identified as per the Minister’s opening remarks in the House and committee earlier yesterday, one speaks to first of all a study, work with regard to dealing with natural gas conversion in the thermal zone. That is particularly focused on the overall initiative to look at LNG as a possible alternative to diesel fuel consumption in our communities, whether that’s in a community like Inuvik, which is a major consumer of diesel fuel but has been converted to LNG, as well as other communities in the thermal zone. So we have $150,000 proposed there.

There is a proposed investment of $1.4 million to the Whati transmission initiative once we continue the work. With alternatives to the diesel generation in that particular community, we’re looking toward providing hydro generation as the supply of electricity in that community.

We continue to support NT Energy with a $50,000 contribution to water monitoring, all of that leading to the potential for hydroelectric generation across the territory wherever we have that type of supply.

The other major initiative, of course, is one that we’re very pleased on identifying through the MECC Committee, which is another $200,000 towards a Great Bear mini-hydro project, and the Member for the Sahtu is familiar with that initiative, but we continue to work hard to try to identify a hydroelectric source of electricity in that region.

So that’s the example of the projects in that suite of contributions. We continue to support NT Energy, which is the unregulated component of NT Hydro, with a $700,000 contribution for their core resources. But as I said at the beginning, many other projects reflected in other departments – Housing, Public Works, ENR and others – reflect

continued effort towards greenhouse gas reduction in our territory consistent with our strategy and the Greenhouse Gas Strategy. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess this raises a few questions. I know in the long-term energy options for Inuvik, wind was actually identified as one of the best, possibly the best. What are our investments in that one? I believe it was the Storm Hills as a possibility and the Reindeer Hill as another possibility.

The Whati transmission line, I know the community is most interested in developing their own hydro locally, and perhaps that fits in with the long-term here, but we have had this amount allocated to this project study of the transmission line several times in the past and it’s come to not. I haven’t heard anything more reassuring lately. I’m just wondering: typically we don’t spend the money, I don’t know where it goes, but I’m just concerned that we keep doing this over and over again without learning any lessons there.

Then, finally, in relation to the NT Energy core funding of $700,000, again, when will we see an evaluation there? In terms of cost of living here, people are not seeing it, they’re not seeing the benefits. We’ve had no new hydro development for I don’t know how long, other than replacement of the Blue Fish dam. So maybe I can get the deputy minister or the Minister to provide some details there. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Ramsay.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under energy initiatives under the Department of ENR there is some funding for wind projects and wind monitoring. As well, on the issue of the Whati transmission line, I will go to Deputy Minister Vician for an update on the Whati transmission line. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister Ramsay. Deputy Minister Vician.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So as with Whati, the Member is correct; we have made investments in the Whati project over the years. Those investments exceed over $1 million, but those are valid investments with regard to studies needed to determine the geotechnical conditions in the area. Also, route analysis and environmental conditions. Those studies continue to proceed. We are very hopeful, as we’ve indicated to committee previously, to receive a final report from the current work that began in 2013 looking at probably our best alternate route alignment and design for transmission line that would take into consideration future generation from the local supply, but in essence displacing current diesel, integrating it into

the grid as per long-term objectives of the Power System Plan, connecting as much of the grid as possible. So we continue to do that and we look forward, as I believe and as I know the Minister has committed to committee that we would provide that update when it’s complete. It’s very, very important information to share once it’s done.

With regard to NT Energy, we continue to work with NT Energy on its deliverables as it goes with the overall Power System Plan work that they’ve been doing for this past year, a very important strategy for the North, and I’m sure, through the Minister, we could provide additional information on the works that the team that is doing that in NT Energy is providing. Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
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February 24th, 2014

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Deputy Minister. Mr. Bromley.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you for the details there, to the deputy minister and the Minister. I guess the people of Whati are incredibly patient people. They’ve been working at this for a long, long time and I just hope we can get something on the ground there. I know the expense that they’ve got and sitting on an amazing power source has got to be extremely frustrating.

My last question is the $200,000 for the Great Bear project, I know we’ve tried a few different things there. Where are we at on that? Do we have a specific project in mind that we’re supporting here? Thank you.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Ramsay.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Deputy Minister Vician.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Minister. Deputy Minister Vician.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Peter Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is our intention, working with NT Energy, to work with the community closely on alternative proposals. As the Member is aware, many proposals have existed over the years. At this point, there is current discussion with regard to more smaller hydrokinetic type of installations associated with the Bear. Of course, any type of installation in such a pristine river requires due study with regard to its environmental and other impacts and this is the work that’s proposed. We have had good discussions with the community on this matter and anticipate, subject to appropriation of course, that we would get underway with this in the new year and look forward to the results that we could report back.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, deputy minister. Next on my list I have Mr. Yakeleya.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
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Norman Yakeleya

Norman Yakeleya Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Certainly with the energy contributions, we certainly were pleased and people in Deline were pleased that the MECC Committee found it in their hearts to support

that continued project. They have been at it for 17 years and they were just waiting for further funding to finish off the studies so they can come back and say this is exactly what they’ll need to start the construction. That’s my understanding. The Minister can correct me if I’m wrong. To start the construction of the Bear River hydro initiative. This has been in their view for about 17 years. Incredibly patient, as with the people from Whati. That is something that they look forward to.

I want to ask the Minister, is that something that on a going-forward basis is your understanding, that once the Deline people have done what they have to do, then that will come to, now, where do we find the money. It’s almost like the business case that where do we find the money to do the construction for the Bear River hydro.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya. Minister Ramsay.

Committee Motion 14-17(5): Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity, Defeated
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This will allow work to continue there, and the Member is correct. I mean, it’s going to take a sizeable piece of capital to put some hydro opportunity in the Bear River. Even if it is small scale, it still will come with a big price tag.

As far as what the $200,000 will get the community and the project, maybe we could go to Deputy Minister Vician for a bit of further detail.