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Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thanks to the Minister. So, do communities apply or is this a fixed percentage of forced growth that goes to every community across the board? Thanks.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Director Schauerte.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Schauerte

The funding in these particular areas is not application based. It’s provided to community governments through contribution agreements established early in the fiscal year. The formulas for the particular programs are contained within the policy base for this and it’s those formulas that dictate the proportion that each community government receives for each respective program.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Director Schauerte. Ms. Bisaro.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to Mr. Schauerte. I guess I’m trying to understand, it’s based on a formula, that I understand, but if it’s forced growth, how does the formula address forced growth? I mean, generally if there’s a formula, you’ve got a pot of money and you apply the formula and divvy it up to the communities, but this explanation suggests to me that the communities are indicating forced growth and, therefore, the pot of money increases, so I’m just trying to reconcile how this works. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Schauerte

Thank you. There are factors within the formulas that recognize community-specific factors. For example, the cost of fuel or population changes over time. It’s those community-specific factors that determine the need for the community government relative to the operation of water and sewer or O and M funding, so when those community-specific factors are taken into the overall need of community governments, that’s what establishes the department’s forced growth ask on a go-forward basis and when we

receive forced growth it’s applied back into the allocations to community governments.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to Mr. Schauerte. That’s great. That’s all I have.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you. Committee, we’re on page 6-39, activity summary, regional operations, operations expenditure summary, $80.980 million.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 6-40, activity summary, regional operations, grants and contributions. Ms. Bisaro.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I have a couple of questions here. The first one, the grants-in-lieu of taxes has increased quite a bit, about $600,000. Could I get an explanation of the rationale for the increase in this? Thanks.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Director Schauerte.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Schauerte

Grant-in-lieu is a payment that our government makes to community governments, obviously in lieu of taxation, so in this particular case, the increase in grant-in-lieu is a result of increased assets that have come on to the assessment roll over time and when those assets come on the assessment roll, there is, of course, a payment that’s due to community governments. Our department makes those payments to community governments on behalf of the GNWT as a whole, so it could be any GNWT asset that came on board over time.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Director. Committee, we’re going to look at page 6-40 and 6-41 together, activity summary, regional operations, grants and contributions, $75.336 million. Sorry, Ms. Bisaro.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks to Mr. Schauerte for the explanation. I understand, I think it was in the Minister’s opening remarks that the formula for funding community governments is being evaluated. There have been a couple of apparently very productive meetings and I’m very glad to hear that there’s an in-depth look at the formula funding for communities. On this page we have contributions for a number of things. There’s community government funding, there’s then additional funding and then water and sewer funding and recreation funding. So, as the formula for communities is being revisited, are all of these formulas being revisited or are they all funded on the same formula? Like, there are four or five different pots of money here, so are they all allocated by the same formula, and if not, is every one of the formulas on this page being revisited? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Deputy Minister Williams.

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Williams

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Under our current municipal funding policy review we’re looking at three pots of money, three pots, that’s the community public infrastructure pot, we’re also looking at water and sewer and O and M funding, so we’re looking at all three of those. Those are the three. I think the Member is right; we had two productive workshops since January and we have a third one slated for April, and at that time we’ll be prepared to make recommendations from the committee to the Minister and be able to bring something forward through Cabinet, FMB and through the standing committee. But it has been a lot of good work, we got good participation from a good majority of the communities across the NWT. We’re working in partnership with the NWTAC on this project and it’s being well received by all. Thank you.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the deputy minister. My last comment in this area is that I hope, as the water and sewer funding formula is being revisited, that Yellowknife will get a little more than what it has gotten the last number of years, which has been zero.

My last question is on page 6-41, Children and Youth Resiliency Program. This is new money. I can see that and I appreciate that, but I wondered if I could get a bit of an idea or a few examples as to what sorts of programs this is intended for.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Williams

This new funding is part of the initiative funding that we received to assist and help establish or expand quality children and youth programming that supports physical activity and mental health and builds resiliency in children and youth. This was identified from the Minister’s Forum on Addictions and Community Wellness. It identified a clear need for more quality youth programming to support mental wellness in activity.

Physical activity, sport and recreation programs are excellent ways to support the development of positive lifestyles and mental health choices for youth. The front-line children and youth program staff are often the first to notice and identify potential mental health problems, provided that they have the proper training. Part of this program training will be the mental health first aid training for support staff as well as training and physical literacy and physical health and development. We see that this will go a long way in ensuring our youth are prepared for the future.

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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Deputy Minister Williams. Mr. Bromley.

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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just following up on that last one, I’d say especially if they’re outdoor programs, and I mean that, especially for the mental health aspect of it. From time to time I’ve brought up the need for eco-literacy, which is, simply, traditional knowledge, I guess. You know, some understanding of the

outdoors and familiarity and comfort with the outdoors can have huge benefits in that area. Just a comment there.

I just wondered how much of the $15.9 million for water and sewer services is going to Yellowknife this year, if that information is handy.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister McLeod.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. None of the money is going to Yellowknife this year.

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Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

That’s pretty clear. I certainly hope the formula changes too. For the recreational funding that goes to communities here, my community of Ndilo is in an awkward position as they’re considered part of Yellowknife, and the community of Detah, which is really an extension of the Ndilo/Detah community is funded separately, I believe, from Ndilo. Is there any consideration to working with Ndilo on this awkwardness and predicament it puts them in? It’s sort of difficult for them to compete for Yellowknife funds, and Detah funds were meant for Detah, so it’s difficult for them also for the Ndilo situation.

Committee Motion 20-17(5): Conclusion Of Transportation Department Summary, Carried
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Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

My understanding is there have been some preliminary discussions with the City of Yellowknife, but then here again is another opportunity for our group that’s reviewing the whole formula funding to take this particular situation into consideration. We have a good cross-section of folks from across the Northwest Territories, big communities, small communities. I think all our largest communities are represented on this group and the City of Yellowknife has representatives on there. I think this would be a good topic of conversation for them to have, and I think our deputy meets with them every so often when the do get together, so it’s an issue we can bring up and see where they go with it.