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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The way this payroll tax is structured, from my understanding, once you make a certain amount of money you don’t get any of that back. So we’re, in fact, going to be raising the taxes on intended consequence, the way our tax structure is. It may hit some of the fly-in/fly-out folks, but it will hit even to a greater degree a percentage of our own population, not to mention the fact, of course, that the amount of money we have to pay back will go up, as well, as we collect those taxes. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

I hope the Minister isn’t trying to be obtuse here. Obviously, the net gain would be significant and that’s what we’re aiming for is increased revenues. So what would be the actual total or what would be the income you would have to have before you would lose access to the cost of living tax credit?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Mr. Kalgutkar.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The cost of living tax credit is a refundable credit based on annual net income and it maxes out at $942 a year. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

What would be the income before you would reach the maximum there?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

I believe this maxes out at $942 a year. I don’t recall what that income level is, so I would have to get that for the Member. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bob Bromley

Bob Bromley Weledeh

What I’m hearing is once you get up into the very high income bracket, you get a protection of about $1,000 and you may be paying several thousand dollars. For the rest, everybody can be protected under that very high income bracket and there would be no effect assuming we

adjusted the cost of living tax credit, which would also likely benefit those people again in the high income bracket. Again, I don’t see this holding much water except to protect those in the very high income brackets that obviously don’t need the same degree of protection that we could and very obviously are serving, as we know, in other ways with our government policies. I would urge the Minister to get down to brass tacks and put together a coherent and comprehensive discussion paper on raising our payroll tax in a way that minimizes the impact on our residents, but does maximize our opportunity for revenue. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Bromley. Minister Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will update and refresh the information we have on taxation, including the payroll tax, and have that ready as we start the next budget cycle next month. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you. Next on my list I have Ms. Bisaro.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks to the Minister for reminding us that the budget cycle is never ending. That’s not for Members; that’s for staff, and I appreciate what they do.

When I asked questions yesterday of ITI, I was asking about the recorded $120 million in resource royalty revenues and the revenue is recorded in ITI. I asked where the corresponding expense was recorded because we don’t keep that $120 million; we get $60 million, give or take. So of the $60 million, I see a line item here for $15 million, which is the net fiscal benefit going to Aboriginal parties, but the other $45 million, I have no idea where that’s recorded. I would like the Minister to tell me, apart from the Heritage Fund money, which I understand is going to come later and be recorded in the next budget, but of the money that’s left, where is that recorded in our budget? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Mr. Kalgutkar.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The remaining $45 million is part of our general revenues and it’s being used to finance our 2014-15 Capital Plan. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

So it’s going to show up in the infrastructure budget? Mr. Kalgutkar said the 2014-15 Capital Plan, if I heard him correctly. My understanding was that it wasn’t going to show until 2015-16. So I’m getting confused here. We have $45 million to expend. In 2015-16, I understand the Heritage Fund money will show up but the other money being used for infrastructure, where can I find that? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Deputy Minister Aumond.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Member is correct; we won’t actually have the cash in hand until 2015-16, as we discussed earlier, but we have to accrue the revenue in the year that we earn it, as I discussed earlier. So Mr. Kalgutkar is correct; some of that $45 million will show up probably in the 2016-17 Capital Plan, but it will just go into our Consolidated Revenue Fund. If Members will recall the discussion we had last night, our tax revenues are also going down by $30 million. So they kind of offset one another to a certain degree. Given the reduction in revenues, we are also reducing our proposed capital plan by $25 million starting in 2016-17. The funding will find its way into general revenues and will be used to fund programs and services, but primarily that incremental resource revenue will be used to fund our capital plan starting likely in 2015-16, 2016-17. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thanks to the deputy minister. Just to confirm, Mr. Kalgutkar said the infrastructure in 2014-15, but it’s infrastructure in 2015-16. Is that right? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Aumond

That’s correct, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you. Committee, we’re on page 5-17, activity summary, fiscal policy, operations expenditure summary, $40.129 million.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-18, activity summary, fiscal policy, grants and contributions, and transfers, $38.6 million.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-19, information item, fiscal policy, active positions.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 5-21, activity summary, budget, treasury and debt management, operations expenditure summary, $27.8 million.