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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you. Next on my list I have Mr. Dolynny.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We know that this category involves the insurance, basically the risk management of the GNWT. We know that in the past we continuously have heard that there’s a change in our Risk Management Framework, which I would assume would affect how we calculate our premiums for our insurance evaluation assessment. We know that when we’ve done this in the past, large items of infrastructure such as the Deh Cho Bridge and Inuvik school were slow to get

trickled on to our insurance line. So with that, and because I have yet to see a document of our Risk Management Framework publicly, even as a Member, and yet we know we have a lot of large-scale inventory of infrastructure coming on board, I question the very small, in fact, no increase in insurance premiums for this fiscal year. If I can maybe get an explanation, if we are indeed putting these large-scale pieces on our books, wouldn’t premiums go up at the same percentage? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Just for some clarification, I think the Member is referring to the Risk Management Framework that the Comptroller General’s office has been working on with the Audit Bureau and the Program Review Office. That’s a review with each department’s identification of their risk areas in terms of delivering their programs. As Members will recall, that’s really a three-step process. The first process, which is done now, is for departments to complete a very high-level assessment of the risk areas that are within their departments. The second process, which departments are just finalizing right now, is a detailed risk management assessment of their department. Then the third process is completing the corporate risk management summary. So that process is ongoing and we continue to work on that.

The other risk management area that we are working on is the area that I believe the Member is referring to, and that’s our insurance premiums which are within the Department of Finance. Our premiums have gone up a little bit from the last fiscal year by about $200,000. A significant reason for that is because we did take on some new capital projects that came into service, so our premiums did go up a little bit because of that. The current budget for our premiums is $2.2 million. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I appreciate the clarification on risk management, but the question still remains. In 2013-2014 we were at $2.218 million. We had $2.305 million in the main estimates of 2014 and zero increase in 2015-2016. As I said, we had a significant amount of infrastructure that hit our books, which means that in the last two years, no change. In fact, there’s only a change of $87,000 since 2013. I find that premium very weak, given the amount of infrastructure that this has assumed in liability. Can I get more clarification on that? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

The Member is totally right; our insurance premiums have gone up from the previous fiscal year by $200,000. The reason, as he has indicated, was we did bring on some significant assets into service and within the last two fiscal years. We were able to mitigate the increase quite a bit by implementing what we’re calling the Property Replacement Appraisal Plan. So what the

department has done is work very closely with our primary insurers and to have a very detailed review of the replacement cost of our assets and that`s what has kept our premiums down. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I guess the rationale for my questioning is that sometimes in business the quickest fix to find money is to go lean on insurance and do a re-evaluation of your replacement costs and depreciate those costs to the tune where it makes it very difficult to make that investment. I’m just hoping that we as a government are maintaining the right level of insurance for the amount of assets we have coming on our books. That’s my rationale for the question, Mr. Chair.

We know that this area of the activity is involved with debt management. With that, we know that the Macroeconomic Policy, which is used as a guideline force for the department, is a very strong piece of policy and documentation. I have to clearly indicate that this is a very old and very outdated Macroeconomic Policy that we’re using. We’re using assumptions that were pre-recession in order to guide the debt management of our government and that, in turn, will also affect our Fiscal Responsibility Policy which again, if I go on the department`s website, there’s only a reference to a pamphlet. That pamphlet still has the picture of Mr. Floyd Roland on it, which tells me that this thing needs to be looked at. This is quite old and yet all these tools, very old Macroeconomic Policy and old Fiscal Responsibility Policy, provide the oversight for our fiscal strategy.

When can we start to see maybe a modernization of these tools and update of these tools so that we can have some degree of confidence that we’re not using outdated management tools to make the predictions that we’re needing to look at borrowing more money? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Miltenberger.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. These policies are going to be reviewed, renewed and updated, modernized this year and in place and time for the next budget. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Dolynny.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am encouraged with that response. I know I’ve asked that many times. I guess we’ll have it before the end of the 17th , which is better late than never. So,

congratulations to the department for recognizing that opportunity, because Members have been asking for that for some time.

Last, Mr. Chair, with respect to this activity. The treasury division looks after the administration of all legislative tax programs and I guess to the question and, again, I do applaud the good work that has

been done in terms of increasing the frequency of tax audits, especially on tobacco, but how many tax audits are we going to be doing on outside wholesalers? These are wholesalers that are outside the GNWT’s jurisdiction, such as outside the Northwest Territories. How many of these wholesalers will be audited for the transfer of the tax memo program for our GNWT portion in our fiscal year?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. Mr. Kalgutkar.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Thank you, Mr. Chair. For the ‘14-15 audit plan, we had anticipated conducting audits on four of our 11 tax wholesalers. We’ve completed one of them and we hope to complete the other three by the end of the year or early in the new fiscal year. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I appreciate that response. So, for the sake of fullness here, four out of the 11 outside wholesalers, these are wholesalers that are established outside the border of Northwest Territories. Is this the first time that this government has audited these outside wholesalers? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Yes, that is correct.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

I want to congratulate the department for finally realizing where I firmly believe there are issues with respect to our loophole in our taxation system, so I’m going to be looking with much anticipation of the results of that audit. Can the department indicate how the findings of this audit will be made to Members and how will the findings of this audit will be made public? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

Typically the government doesn’t produce our audit findings. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daryl Dolynny

Daryl Dolynny Range Lake

So, how will Members know the findings of this audit? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kalgutkar

One of the things we could possibly look at is doing a fairly high-level summary of what the results are, but we would not be able to identify who the wholesalers are. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Thank you, Mr. Kalgutkar. Committee, we`re on page 151, Department of Finance, budget, treasury and debt management, operations expenditure summary, $26.860 million.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 153, budget, treasury and debt management, active positions. Questions?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 155, Bureau of Statistics, operations expenditure summary, $1.069 million.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

February 15th, 2015

The Chair

The Chair Robert Bouchard

Page 156, Bureau of Statistics, active positions. Questions?