Agreed.
Debates of Feb. 16th, 2015
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Some Hon. Members
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Agreed. Thank you. Finance, Liquor Revolving Fund, information item. Any questions on page 176?
My apologies; I missed a page. Office of the comptroller general, grants, contributions and transfers, total contributions, $6.778 million from page 174. Ms. Bisaro.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chair. I wanted to ask, there’s a great variance in the numbers between 2013-14 actuals and then the main
estimates for 2014-15 and then the estimates for 2015-16. We have $6 million and then $11 million and then back to almost $7 million in 2015-16. Why the very large drop from the estimates in 2014-15 to what we’re estimating in 2015-16? Thank you.
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Aumond
Thank you, Madam Chair. As the Member will recall last year when she asked us to chew up the budget and she mentioned that there was a difference between the actual expenditures and what we were budgeting, so when we looked at that and we did the budget true-up exercise that I spoke about earlier when I was responding to Member Dolynny’s questions, what we have here today at $6.778 million is what we estimate the actual cost of the Territorial Power Subsidy will be. Thank you.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thanks to the deputy minister and, yes, I did remember. I just wanted to make sure that anybody who was looking at numbers would understand the rationale. I’m very glad to see that we have a more reasonable number, so to speak. Where has the extra $4 million gone? I’m presuming it went into general revenues, but could I get that clarified? Thank you.
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Aumond
There was about $2.479 million of the Territorial Power Subsidy Program surplus that the department had been relying on for years to fund a whole host of pressures that I had discussed earlier in response to Member Dolynny’s questions that were being used to do that. So anything from employee benefits, unfunded positions, banking fees and even to helping out our CIO’s office with some security. So there is about $2.479 million in reallocations that had happened there.
In addition to that, we just did a reduction of about $1.8 million that we gave back to the government. Thank you.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Mr. Aumond. Ms. Bisaro. You’re finished? Thank you. Mr. Yakeleya.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Okay. Office of the comptroller general, grants, contributions and transfers, total contributions $6.778 million.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Office of the comptroller general, active positions, information item. Any questions? Ms. Bisaro.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chair. Just one question here and it’s the text at the bottom of the page. Differences in the amounts are due to accounting policy differences between basically the methods used by the NWT Liquor Commission and
the methods used by the GNWT. That seems a little strange to me.
What page are we on, Madam Chair?
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair Jane Groenewegen
I just called page 175, office of the comptroller general, active positions, information item. Any questions?
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Moving on to Finance, Liquor Revolving Fund, information item. Any questions? Ms. Bisaro.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chair. I think the question was probably heard. I would have thought that the methods for the Liquor Commission and the GNWT in terms of accounting would be the same. Perhaps I could get an explanation as to why one of our, sort of, subsidiary organizations doesn’t use the same accounting methods that we do.
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
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Kalgutkar
Madam Chair, one of things I can think about is the Liquor Commission probably uses a lower threshold for some of its assets. What I will do is I will go back and make sure that their accounting treatment is consistent with that of the GNWT going forward.
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Okay. I’m glad you’ll go check on that, but I guess I struggle to understand how we put a comment like this in our budget and we don’t really know how to explain it. I’ll leave it at that.
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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
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Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate having the ability to come back to this Liquor Revolving Fund. I apologize. Earlier I was ahead of my questions here.
I have to say with a degree of trepidation here, I’m quite confused with this category in terms of how this is being evaluated and the discrepancies, knowing that we’ve gone from a private to a consignment model. I’ve tried to follow the margins, the dollars, the increase in agents’ commissions and, again, in looking at a note regarding the net revenue amounts being mentioned in the notes. Would the department agree to maybe having an interim reporting structure of this Liquor Revolving Fund, let’s say six months into this fiscal year, just so that we can provide some better clarity on the numbers, just because I think there’s best guess being used here? But I’m not comfortable with the process in front of me.
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Madam Chair. The contracts in Yellowknife don’t come into effect until September, so we won’t see any actuals until probably the end of the fiscal year by the time they go into business and we start seeing what the numbers true up to be.