Thank you, deputy minister. Mr. Dolynny.
Debates of Feb. 16th, 2015
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Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, what I’m getting from the response today is we’re not quite sure. Again, it is maybe a very difficult question but when I see the fact that some of the health determinants are showing certain trends, it’s just interesting that our trends on the revenue taxation line aren’t reflecting those two trends. Whether or not I’m predicting a price increase or taxation increase, it sounds like there’s not. I will leave it at that. I will probably be coming back to that sometime in the future.
With that same page, Mr. Chair, I want to move my question down to the bottom of that page under program insured and third-party recoveries and medical transportation recoveries. It’s interesting that this number is decreasing, especially in medical transportation recoveries. This number is decreasing almost by half compared to the revised estimates of last year. It’s a very substantial decrease in both categories. When I say substantial, it’s significant factoring from 2013-2014.
Knowing full well that the costs for medical travel are paid by the GNWT and we know that some of those expenses are claimed through Sun Life insurance to the Public Service Health Care Plan. I know there have been issues on collection. I know there have been issues on having the proper paperwork in place and I know that Sun Life had its challenges on adjudicating some of these claims. My question is very simple. It appears that we are actually collecting less for these programs and I need to know why. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Aumond
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The previous year’s budget number reflected a backlog of claims that we hadn’t submitted with Sun Life, so we made some progress on there. At the same time, previous years’ estimates had anticipated us being reimbursed for a greater range in services. So at this point in time, we do have some issues to work out with Sun Life and we do have some work to do in that area.
In terms of medical travel for those covered under the Public Service Health Care Plan, we do consistently invoice Sun Life, and our backlog is, for the most part, being cleared up, which is why you are seeing a drop in recoveries in that area. Thank you.
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Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just so I can get some clarity, again, we know that Sun Life has had some issues with adjudication. Can the department give us some indication for the last two years, let’s say, how many adjudication audits have been done on the Sun Life submissions?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We don’t have that level of detail with us but we can commit to provide it to committee.
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Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’ll challenge the department to see if they can provide that to the Member here. I’m looking for that type of level of auditing and the backlog. It sounds like that backlog was very significant, so it does tell me that there’s potentially an issue here on the way we deal with these recovery allocations into our general revenues. With that, I will challenge the department if they can provide that level of detail at their earliest.
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The Chair Robert Bouchard
Thank you, Mr. Dolynny. I’ll take that as a comment. I think the Minister committed to getting that information. Next I have my on my list Ms. Bisaro.
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Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just have one question here. I presume it should be on this page with the revenue summary, but I’d like to know where the net fiscal benefit for the resource revenue amounts that we receive is shown in the revenue summary.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It’s ITI that would have that reflected in their revenues.
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The Chair Robert Bouchard
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. Committee, we’re on page 148, Department of Finance, revenue summary. Questions?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Bob Bromley
Page 149, Department of Finance, active position summary. Questions? Mr. Yakeleya.
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Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
Mr. Chair, I want to ask the Minister in regard to the active positions. I see in here we have seven for the Sahtu, and I just want to ask about the type of active positions in the Sahtu. Is this like they have their own authority or jurisdictions? Do they have to report to the Inuvik region or the Minister of Finance? Are there some independent? Is there a superintendent? I want to
see if these active positions are similar to other regions that have their own region.
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Aumond
Thank you, Mr. Chair. In the Sahtu we have seven positions all in Norman Wells and they work in either financial shared services or employee services. Financial shared services, the staff there report to the assistant director in Inuvik, and for employee services they report to headquarters here in Yellowknife. The context in Sahtu is similar to what we would find in the Deh Cho, is that the level of activity doesn’t warrant the number of staff or the required program and service delivery that you would in a much larger region where we have a much larger contingent of employees to serve and have our financial shared services in place, internal services to government. Depending on the number of employees in that region that would determine the amount of effort that we would need to have in that region.
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Norman Yakeleya Sahtu
That’s okay. I’ve got to think this over here and I’ve got to read the Hansard tomorrow and I’ll have to come back to this maybe through another forum.
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Daryl Dolynny Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I’d like to follow up to a response earlier today to some of my general comments with respect to active positions. The fact remains that the numbers have not changed from fiscal 2014 to the proposed budget of 265 total employees, and if I look at the disbursement of jobs per allocation of regional allocation, nothing has changed. Everything has stayed the same. There may have been transfers in and out, but the actual numbers are still whole.
Again, if my math is correct, this increase for this category, as I said earlier, is 7.7 percent, and we heard from the deputy minister that about $950,000 of it was due to collective bargaining or what we call forced growth. That’s only about 2.9 percent, which leaves, again if my math is correct, 4.8 percent that is not forced growth. We’ve heard that there was $984,000 in transfers and some other stuff in there.
I would like to get more detail if I can on that breakdown of that 4.8 percent that is not forced growth so I can fully understand what will be transpiring that justifies that extra expenditure.
Again, every department is going to be scrutinized to the same level. I’m not picking on Finance here. I need to understand forced growth from non-forced growth.