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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

I believe we need to back what is working, and for the Northwest Territories,

certainly Aurora is working, our Aboriginal tourism product is growing, and we believe that’s going to work as well. So we have to continue to back what is being successful. I believe we have tremendous opportunity here in the Northwest Territories to market the products that we have to audiences around the world. The next government hopefully will continue on the same path this government has had, and that is to invest in marketing our tourism, our products. These things have to be marketed and nobody’s going to do that for us. We have to get out there and look for partnerships. We’ve worked with Destination Canada, we’ve worked with TIAC, and we’ll continue to seek out partnerships to promote the Northwest Territories both nationally and internationally.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses.

Alfred Moses

Alfred Moses Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When we get tourists up in the Northwest Territories here we want to give them a good experience, give them a taste of northern hospitality, and if there is not too much tourism opportunity in some of the regions during the winter months, it is a great opportunity to provide other training opportunities such as customer service, possibly getting other people to look at how to create a tourism business licence, do proposal writing, reports, those kinds of things of that nature, administrative work.

Would the Minister commit to possibly creating some kind of training opportunities manual for our tourism operators so that when the summertime comes around again and we get a high increase of tourism in the Northwest Territories, that we are ready to give our visitors a taste of our northern hospitality here in the Northwest Territories?

David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

We’re not going to have a

successful tourism industry here in the Northwest Territories unless we’ve got dedicated, trained front- line staff providing the services to the visiting public. It was highlighted in the Economic Opportunities Strategy the need for tourism training, and we’re undertaking that. We’ve dedicated some funding for tourism-

related training, and again, we’re working

with the Northwest Territories Tourism, our tour operators around the Northwest Territories to get this training in place and get as many folks trained in providing quality customer service to the travelling public here in the NWT.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. The Member for Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources. I’d like to ask the Minister some questions around a mine that

straddles the Yukon/NWT border owned by Northern American Tungsten, and that’s the Cantung Mine. It’s reported that the Cantung Mine is going to be closing next month, at the end of October, and there is going to be a loss of jobs, certainly, when the mine closes.

There’s going to be a loss of resource

revenues to us, and particularly my concern is that there’s going to be a cost to the government environmentally.

My first question to the Minister is: It is my understanding that the Cantung Mine is now a responsibi

lity of the NWT, whereas it’s been federal

jurisdiction up until devolution. So, I’d like to ask the Minister if that’s correct.

Who has responsibility for the Cantung Mine? Did it come over to us as a responsibility to the NWT in devolution? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro. The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are issues with the Cantung Mine. They’ve filed for creditor protection and there’s a lot of work underway with the involved governments to work through the process of what that would mean to make sure that we protect our interests. Thank you.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you. I didn’t hear an answer to

the question as to whose responsibility it is, and the Minister mentioned several governments. I guess I have to ask again, is the mine a responsibility of the NWT government or is it the responsibility of the federal government? Thank you.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

We’re engaged

in discussions with the Government of Canada over the potential that they could be filing for bankruptcy, and abandonment of the mine could lead to an agreement to transfer the mine to Canada.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

If I heard the Minister correctly, then, if the mine does close permanently, because I understand this is a temporary closure, but if it closes permanently and they go bankrupt, they’re some $79 million in debt, from what I understand. I heard the Minister say that the mine will be transferred back to the federal government. I’d like to get him to confirm that.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

The operative word at this point is it “could.” There are court proceedings that are underway; there’s discussion between the governments as well as following through the process as it’s laid out for this type of proceedings. That is part of the discussion that has to be resolved.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro.

Wendy Bisaro

Wendy Bisaro Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.So, I think I kind of heard the Minister tell me to hurry up and

wait. Once the report is done, then we might maybe know whether or not we’re going to be responsible for the mine.

So, if we are responsible for the mine, what financial security is in place now, either with us or with the federal government,

to look after the mine once it’s

closed for us to reclaim the land and for us to do the environmental cleanup as required?

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you. The amount of security that’s posted is $11.6 million.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. The Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions for the Minister of Finance about jobs. As I mentioned in my Member’s statement today, my concerns are about public service jobs and fair and transparent notice.

I’ve been told by our program managers that they’ve not been filling

positions and they’ve pulled some off

the table during competition processes because deficits are growing and they’re recognizing this both in the regular public service as well as in our authorities, which are ultimately a responsibility of the House.

Finally, the Members at large have seen the fiscal outlook, and frankly, many of us are certainly worried about where this government is taking us. I’d like to know, as well as many of the public servants I’ve been talking to who have been talking about the layoffs, that the lists have been drafted in the public service and multiple departments and I am just wondering what type of information is being provided to the public service employees that we employ here to provide programs and services in a transparent way, that this is a consideration or an option that is being evaluated as we’re going into the upcoming budget with the new government. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The Minister of Finance, Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is getting way ahead of himself on this particular issue. There is going to be no budget that’s done by this government. The only budget we’re dealing with is the capital plan budget before the House, and what we will be providing is a transitional document that encompasses a whole range of activities that Members are aware of, and the incoming government and Assembly then will make their own determination once they get their briefings. The fiscal forecasts, the issues and challenges before them and opportunities and decisions will be made to exactly what steps the 18th Assembly will take at that juncture. Thank you.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, the new government hasn’t taken over, so the operation of the present government in the context of finance is the responsibility of the present government and, furthermore, the responsibility of the Finance Minister. So when departments are drafting these potential

lists

for

consideration

for

future

governments, it’s a responsibility of today at today’s direction, which is ultimately the responsibility of this House, Mr. Speaker.

What type of transparency process is put into place as the government cobbles these options together? Ultimately, I am worried about fair, honest and transparent notice for the public service, and as I said in my Member’s statement, if you’re young and trying to start off your life or if you are a seasoned employee working to retirement, people need fair and honest notice.

What type of information and transparency is being given to the public service as the list is being cobbled together by departments? Thank you.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Once again let me state for the record that the Member is getting way ahead of himself on these questions. There is no

thing that’s going to be decided by this

government. There is transition planning in a whole range of areas that is going to be done.

As the Premier indicated in his statement, balancing our revenues and expenditures is a challenge of this government and will carry on as a challenge to the next government. When I do my fiscal update tomorrow, I will be making that same declaration. All we are doing is getting our transition documents ready and there will be no decisions made in the life of this government about what the 18th Assembly

may decide to do in their wisdom. Thank you.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

As we all know, time and time again, that budgets

aren’t drafted overnight. It takes

many months and planning, Mr. Speaker, and many months and planning without Members that just show up on our desks before they need to be approved.

That said, the reality is the public service, the management, the bureaucracy, you name it, they’ve spent many months of planning. I am asking about what exercises are being drafted now for consideration going forward. Yes, these budget exercises may be the final ultimate decision of the 18th Assembly and when it rolls in, minus a couple of

Members, it might be a reflection of what’s here today. The reality is the work is being done today, and

that’s what I’m asking.

What work is being done? What type of transparency is being conveyed to the public service as these lists are being cobbled? Thank you.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

We, as the government, are looking at how we make sure that our revenues and expenditures, on a going forward

basis, stay the same, that our expenditures do not exceed our revenues and that we don’t start borrowing money for programs that we anticipate and plan for what has been determined and demonstrated to be a flat economy with revenues going down. So, we have an obligation as we look to making sure that the 18th Assembly is provided with

the best information possible, to pull together all that information for the consideration of the 18th Assembly.

I want to point o

ut that it’s anticipated at this juncture,

given the lateness of this election, that we would be looking at an interim appropriation to allow the incoming Legislative Assembly the full time it needs to decide the path forward. Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins.

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I gingerly put it on three occasions here in my Member’s statement, or during my question statement that is, to frankly ask are layoffs happening and is that being considered. The Minister at no time took the opportunity to say that it isn’t part of the evaluation process that will ultimately be decided by the 18th Assembly.

The Minister can deny it on the last one because he gets the last word, but the fact is, is the government looking at drafting layoff plans as part of the consideration going forward in the 18th Assembly? If

the Minister says no, great, but the reality is I am hearing it throughout the department. If he says yes, I want to applaud him in his honesty and full transparency to the public service so they are fully aware of what may be coming, and they certainly deserve that.

Is the government looking towards, as an option, layoffs in the 18th Assembly and are they building

those lists, cobbling names on pieces of paper department by department? Thank you.