This is page numbers 325-362 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

Question 144-18(2): Community Capacity Building
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral Questions. Member for Nahendeh.

Question 144-18(2): Community Capacity Building
Oral Questions

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and I thank the Minister for his answer. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is very proud of the new deal direction they have taken. Can the Minister please provide this House with what tools the department gives the communities before implementing this process? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 144-18(2): Community Capacity Building
Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

The Member is absolutely correct. We are very proud of the new deal. It's actually been since 2007 now, so it's not so new anymore, but we're very proud of the deal and the responsibility that it's given the communities to prioritize a lot of their initiatives and with the ability they have and the financing they have they can put these to use. The major difference in responsibility is probably the capital planning, and we work closely with the communities to assist them in the application process and the planning process for their capital infrastructure projects. Ultimately at the end of the day the decision is theirs. What we've found, I think, in the past number of years is that the communities have really stepped up and embraced this. The communities are actually getting infrastructure projects done cheaper than it would have been had you stuck a government sticker on there, because you stick a GNWT sticker on there and the price seems to be a little higher. So they've been able to get some fairly good deals and finance their own projects.

Under the new Gas Tax Agreement, we're also working to implement an asset management strategy for community governments which, for the Deh Cho, will help to build off the previous efforts to advance our asset management with the band government. So, Mr. Speaker, MACA's role now is basically to be a support to the community governments as they try to forward a lot of their own initiatives and priorities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 144-18(2): Community Capacity Building
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member's statement I talked about the socio-economic agreements that our government has with the three diamond mines. I'd like to ask the Minister of ITI questions on that. Does the government have any way of holding the diamond mines to account for employment targets set out in the socio-economic agreements? Thank you.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member knows, the government of the Northwest Territories oversees the implementation of the socio-economic agreements and coordinates the Government efforts under each SEA while monitoring how well each developer carries out its respective responsibilities. I think the mines are very accountable for their respective SEAs. Through the environmental assessment process or the regulatory process, the Government of the Northwest Territories, when the first diamond mine was established, pushed for socio-economic agreements that came out as a recommendation from the environmental assessment process. Every mining project that has gone forward requires socio-economic agreements, so we have to go through that process. The socio-economic agreements have evolved over time from the first one that was negotiated with BHP and Ekati, which essentially their only reporting was to this Legislative Assembly. However, our government holds annual meetings with senior officials from all the mines that have socio-economic agreements. All socio-economic agreements have dispute resolution clauses and requirements for public reporting. The mines produce an annual report documenting their progress in achieving socio-economic agreement commitments and these are made public. Also, ITI publishes annual results in their Communities and Diamonds reports. Community meetings are also held to communicate results. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

I represent a constituency that is over 90 per cent Aboriginal, and I would like to know if there's anything specific in the socio-economic agreements between the government and the diamond mines that hold the diamond mines accountable for the employment of Aboriginal people at the diamond mine. And I recognize that the socio-economic agreement does cover the northern/Aboriginal employment, but I'm particularly interested in how the government will hold the diamond mines accountable for the employment targets for Aboriginal people.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

We've taken a number of different approaches to it. Most of the mining companies that are operating in the Northwest Territories are very large companies that stake their reputation on achieving the targets that they've negotiated. We use a process of publishing the reports. Where those targets are not being met, we follow up with meetings. Certainly in the first instance when there was difficulty meeting targets, the diamond companies came to meet with us to find, well, why weren't we producing more students that could meet the academic requirements that could be streamed into trades or so on that could go to work at the diamond mines, and we certainly looked at that. We also set up a number of different processes where we could work with the mining companies to find ways that we could have more northern and Aboriginal employees. We also looked at how do we deal with fly in, fly out workers. We have a number of processes. It's a very difficult area. Obviously mine safety comes to mind. You also need people with the requisite skills to do the jobs. Also there are other factors that come into play to make sure that you have a very sustainable mine that pays very strict adherence to mine safety.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

The Minister sort of answered parts of the third question, but to be very clear and focused, I would like to ask the Minister what the mines have identified as the key reasons for failing to meet the target of hiring Aboriginal employees at the diamond mines?

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

I think we have to remember that the mines, especially the diamond mines, have had a very positive impact on our northern workforce with over 20,000 person-years employed. However, we are constantly working to improve this. The mines and ourselves know that there are a number of factors that contribute, such as low commodity prices and the financial markets. The mines have to match revenues and expenditures. What they have indicated is we have a very small workforce; they have a very small pool to draw from. Consequently the more mines we have, the less ability they have to hire northern Aboriginal workers. They’re robbing Peter to pay Paul, kind of thing, where you have the phenomenon of people moving from mine to mine, yet it’s the same people. The inventory is not growing larger. The safety issue is paramount, also they have very strict requirements in flying in and flying out, two weeks in and two weeks out, or the management, those that work four and three.

Essentially, those are the areas. Also they are limited to pick-up points. There are only so many pick-up points that have been negotiated. They would like to hire more across the Northwest Territories, but for example most of the socio-economic agreements don't have provisions for the mines to pay for employees outside the pick-up communities. For example, some mines are paying close to $200,000 to fly in workers from outside their area, and they are saying, “well, it's not in our socio-economic agreement, and we're doing it but we can't continue to do it as the diamond prices go down.” So those are the things that we're faced with, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
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Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Those are good responses. I believe that it seems to be an issue of the skills of the workforce. What are the mines and the department doing to develop a workforce, an NWT Aboriginal workforce, as per the workforce development agreement inside the socio-economic agreement?

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

The Government of the Northwest Territories works hard to bring awareness to the significant benefits that mineral exploration, mine operations and processing can bring to people. The Government of the Northwest Territories through our Department of Education, Culture and Employment is working with the mines to support them in meeting their northern hiring targets. This includes connecting the mines with students, promoting employment opportunities throughout the Northwest Territories by working with and supporting the mines as they undertake regional and community recruitment initiatives, supporting regional and community training opportunities to prepare residents for employment with the mines, and providing labour market funding to the mines to train employees for advancement. The Skills 4 Success initiative is working a four-year action plan. Other examples include the Northern Leadership Development Program administered through Aurora College, which provides employees with leadership skills to prepare for management, supervisory or leadership positions.

The mines have policies for priority selection for training and employment opportunities, as well as dedicated Aboriginal training investments through partnerships with impacted Aboriginal groups. They collaborate with other GNWT and federal governments. They also leverage training funding for a qualified northern workforce. They work with resource developers, the Mine Training Society and other stakeholders, including Aboriginal governments, to ensure that our local workforce is ready and prepared for the opportunities of the future. The success of the NWT Mine Training Society in capacity building has provided 1,900 individual Northerners with training and/or career counselling and has placed over 830 students in jobs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 145-18(2): Socio-Economic Agreements
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta.

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions in follow up to my Member's statement for the Minister of Housing. I'd like to ask the Minister, right now, how does the Housing Corporation take both family incomes and community costs into account in applications for their programs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The coordinating thresholds that we use to determine allocations for programs that the Housing Corporation utilizes is done every two years, and they are separated into different zones between communities, and recognizing that there are differences within incomes and the cost of living within each zone, so there are certain things that we do. For example, I'll give an example of the PATH program to emphasize that. So within Yellowknife for the PATH program, because of the cost of living, people who are applying for housing, their own housing, can get up to a 5 per cent down payment on that program. But in the communities, because we recognize that jobs are hard, cost of living is high, et cetera, they can access up to 55 per cent of the down payment for those programs. So we do take into account the different regions and the different costs of living within each region.

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

I know this is before both the Minister's and my time, but some of you may recall the HAP program that many of the people in the communities took advantage of in the mid-'80s. Mr. Speaker, that was a great program, but to help those home owners with the programs we have offered today, it just doesn't match up. So I'd like to ask the Minister: will the Minister direct the Housing Corporation to review income thresholds that determine access to PATH and CARE programs to make sure they are tailored to the unique needs of each community?

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Yes, so the income thresholds will be reviewed in 2017. We do that every two years. As well, like I had said when I first started here, I am committed to being very community-focused and we are sending out a survey probably towards the end of this month that is asking each specific community what their needs are and what their priorities are. We will be developing a plan, a community-based plan, from that that identifies what the communities' issues are and what they see as needs within each separate community.

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

I would also like to ask: when the Housing Corporation does repairs to public housing in small communities, could arrangements be made for its crews to assist private home owners?

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Currently at this moment we are in talks, I am in talks, with the Housing Corporation. There is a cost to having crews, but I'm looking at more of a training program. When I recognize that the CMHC funding is going to disappear within the next 20 years or so, we need to have a better plan. So I'm actually looking at more than just having crews go in and assist home owners, but actually looking at, is it possible for us to do some training of community members so that we can support self-governance and support the communities to take some ownership within their own communities. So that's in the beginning stages, but I can guarantee that, within this government's term, we will be looking specifically at seeing how we can assist communities to take more ownership and self-reliance within their housing issues.

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Home building and renovations are more expensive outside the regional centres. How do current housing programs take this into account?

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

As stated, we do have the different regions for the income thresholds, so we take into account the cost of living, et cetera. They are also separated by the amounts of bedrooms, the counts with two bedrooms or less, three bedrooms or more, et cetera. Again, we will be doing a new thresholds needs assessment within the 2017 fiscal year. There are programs in place such as the PATH which does give 55 per cent, again, for a down payment, versus in Yellowknife where it's only 5 per cent. We are trying to recognize the communities' needs and work within the communities. Our survey that will be going out will provide more in-depth knowledge so that we can provide a proper plan to address those issues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 146-18(2): Income Thresholds For Housing Programs
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Question 147-18(2): Supporting Mineral Exploration And Mining Sector
Oral Questions

Cory Vanthuyne

Cory Vanthuyne Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment. As I stated earlier today, the mining sector should not be forgotten in our efforts to strengthen and diversify the northern economy. Many northern mines are maturing while exploration is in a steady decline, and the sector requires this Government's support to begin growing again.

Can the Minister explain how the department is working to encourage mineral exploration in this climate where world-wide commodity prices and investor confidence is low? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.