Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

Yes, certainly, as the security enhancements take place, we could house inmates that are higher security. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson.

I guess the next question is because this is going away from the Guthrie House model. We were talking about dealing with addictions and treatment and that, now we're talking about putting maximum security or going higher than minimum security into this community. So has the department actually reached out to the community and said this is what's going to be happening? Because this is not really a Guthrie model concept. The Guthrie model concept is to segregate the prisoners so they're on their addiction treatment area. I understand we're talking about family violence and working with that, but that puts the inmate in a different category; instead of minimum security, it's up to maximum security. So has the department talked to the community about this potential? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I don't know what communications there have been with the community, generally, but I know there have been discussions which are going to be ongoing as soon as a week or two from now, again, with the staff. My understanding -- and it's second-hand, of course -- is that the staff is quite enthused about this change in the facility. And just to point out, Guthrie House is not minimum security. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Minister is correct, and it's great that the staff are excited about it, but has he talked to the community of the town of Hay River? Those are the people that are going to see it go from minimum security, to medium, to maximum security inmates in this community now. So has the Minister, as part of the plan that has been worked out, has he talked to the community about this? Because this is a large chunk of money that we're investing in this community, and if there are some concerns and we're not actually doing a Guthrie House model, I'm concerned that we're not actually doing what we said we are trying to do. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. While not exactly like Guthrie House, it really is based on the Guthrie model. As I mentioned, my understanding is the staff, who are, of course, all, I would assume, from the community, have seemingly bought into this concept of changing the facility over. No, I don't think I've received any direct communications from the town one way are the other on this, but I would imagine the town would be aware of it since all of the staff or virtually all of the staff that works there would be from the community. I think this issue has been raised in the House before, so it's not as though this should come as a surprise to the community. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Again, here we go, government expecting other people to get that information out to it. I'm asking the Minister will you make a commitment now to tell the town of Hay River this is what we're trying to do and how we're changing it? And it's not a Guthrie House, it's a model and some of the concepts to it. So let's be honest, it's not a Guthrie House model, we are not segregating the inmates, we are looking at putting this facility in there and doing different programming. And my understanding, you'll have minimum to maximum security people in this facility. So, again, the model or the facility that was used there was for minimum security people. Now they're going to see more individuals in there for medium security. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert, to the question.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As we implement and move forward with this, I certainly would be prepared to communicate with a town council, send them a letter as to our plans and targets. Guthrie House is not a minimum-security facility. It simply isn't. As I say - this will not exactly be like Guthrie House, but one of the things that impressed me there, and I'm doubtless it would have impressed others, is that those that end up at Guthrie House have to be highly motivated before they're accepted into the program, and hopefully that would be the same here. So we would have people, admittedly inmates, perhaps some of them as a higher security level, that would be motivated to make changes in their lives. That seems to be an excellent idea to me. I mean, we always talk about how much recidivism, and so on, we have in the system, and this is a way to reduce that on a model that has proven to be successful in British Columbia. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Time is up there, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think the issue here is that there's a capital ask, and we don't really know details of a plan. So would the Minister commit to providing the details of this plan with timelines for implementation for some substantiation for its proposed effectiveness? And could he make this document publicly available? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Minister Sebert.

Yes, we'd be prepared to do that, and also, to appear in front of committee if requested. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you, and last question just so I get a better idea of the costs because it seems like this fence is the lynchpin, and once this goes then everything else starts. So I assume that because we're moving to a therapeutic model, we will need more staff that are trained, either psychologists, counsellors, and those type of individuals. So is there going to be an additional staff compliment that will also further increase these costs? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Minister Sebert.

As I say, the current staff has, I've heard, bought into this change, but perhaps I could defer the question to Mr. Goldney and he could expand on my answer. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Deputy minister Goldney.