Thank you. Ms. Green.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think that partnership is really important. The people need the same kind of supports. They are coming from different places to after-care. They might be coming out of a treatment program rather than out of jail, but they need the same kind of services to maintain their sobriety and successfully reintegrate into the community. I am glad to hear they are working together. Just back to the beginning of this, which is the fence, how does the fence work into this? Is it necessary to make South Mackenzie into a medium-security jail? Or is it to section off the therapeutic model part? I am still not 100 percent with the fence. Thank you.

Thank you. Minister.

Yes. The fence is needed to turn the facility into a medium-custody facility, just as Guthrie House is in British Columbia, which is part of the Nanaimo Correctional Centre. This is a necessary change if we wish to move to this model. As I say, we are optimistic about moving to the model, optimistic that we will get results. Thank you.

Thank you. Next, I have Mr. Thompson.

Thank you. If it changes to medium security, what happens to the minimum-security residents? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Yes, thank you. It is important to remember that we do have other facilities in Yellowknife and in Fort Smith. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

Okay. Thank you. Is the Minister saying that these inmates who are minimum security are going to be moved to Yellowknife or Fort Smith?

Thank you. Minister.

My understanding, subject to being corrected here, is that there could be minimum people in the program. However, many of the minimum security inmates are serving very short sentences and that's not the sort of sentence that would fit into this type of program. Perhaps Mr. Goldney can add or correct that if I've made an error. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister. Perhaps, Mr. Goldney, you could point out if there are other minimum security facilities in the territory where these minimum security inmates could go. Mr. Goldney.

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I thank the Minister and Mr. Goldney for that answer.

The Guthrie model was minimum of four months, that you have to be in the program for four months. Minimum security, how is that going to work? Usually it's less than three months. Can the Minister advise how those individuals are going to be part of it? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Although minimum security generally are those that receive shorter sentences, that's quite correct. There certainly would be some, I imagine, that would be minimum security that would receive four months or more. Perhaps not that many, but there would be some. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. If you look at the people that serve time, you know, two thirds of their time, realistically you need somebody that's going to get six months in minimum security do the full time. That's, you know, maxed out, good behaviour, and that. How is that going to help people that may be minimum security that, you know, get less than three months but need this or want to be part of this process?

I know, when we were at Guthrie House, some of the residents said straight up that this here, they asked for more time. They said, "Whoa, we don't want to go anywhere. We want to stay. We want to finish the program." How are we able to do that with this program? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well, in my long experience, not too many ask for more time. I understand what you're saying. I mean we couldn't keep people in there who weren't serving a sentence. Obviously, they would have to avail themselves of other programs.

As I say, there would probably have to be a minimum amount of time that they are going to be in the facility so that the program would work, but certainly they could be informed of possible programs after they leave whichever facility they are in. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going on to another topic here because I'm still a little concerned right now. Could he explain about the probation office tenant improvements for the community of Fort Liard?