Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, what I saw at Guthrie House and what the Minister's been describing are not the same thing. And so, it's resulted in considerable confusion for me. I want to just break it down into pieces. So piece number one is that Guthrie House is a separate entity, a fenced entity within a medium security correctional facility called the Nanaimo Correctional Centre. So it's separate. It is its own entity. Is that the concept for this therapeutic community in the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, that is the concept. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Ms. Green.

Okay. Thanks for that clarification. Another key point about Guthrie House is that it is run in partnership with the John Howard Society. Who will be the partner in the South Mackenzie Therapeutic Community? Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Goldney.

Thank you. Ms. Green.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In order to be part of the Guthrie House community, the people have to -- the men, it is all men. The men have to have at least four months left in their sentence. They have to undergo drug testing and be committed to their sobriety using an abstinence model, an AA model. They also have to be assessed by their peers. The residents of Guthrie House have a lot of say over who comes in to Guthrie House and whether they end up staying there. Their job is really to ensure the fidelity of the community, that it lives up to its principles. Is that going to be the model used in the South Mackenzie? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister.

Yes. We may have some differences from that exact model, but generally speaking, it will be the same type of model. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Green.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The really important point about that model is that the inmates, or they prefer to be called residents, hold one another accountable for their behaviour and for their progress through treatment towards discharge, to finishing their sentences and being discharged. Is that the parallel that is being considered for the South Mackenzie where inmates hold one another responsible for their behaviour? Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Green. Minister.

Absolutely. That is a key part of the therapeutic community that we are envisioning, so yes. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Green.

Okay. That is good news. Now, the other part that really impressed me when I was there is that the people in the Guthrie House were planning for the end of their sentence and their discharge back into the community pretty much from the time they arrived. Their most important piece to organize was accommodation, that they needed to find somewhere to live. That is where John Howard was very helpful to the inmates or residents, as I understand. How will that portion of reintegrating people who have achieved sobriety into stable housing and a stable situation, how will that part work? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister.

Yes. I think all of us who had the opportunity of visiting Guthrie House were impressed by the after-care element in that there were organizations that were assisting and also graduates, if I can put it that way. Of course, initially, we won't have the support of graduates because, well, there won't be any graduates until we have our first class through, if I can put it that way.

Accommodation, yes. That is going to be an issue that we have thought about and do have concerns about, particularly those who are returning to some of the smaller communities where housing is a real issue. Perhaps Mr. Goldney can give his thoughts with respect to some of these after-care issues. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Goldney.

Thank you. Ms. Green.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I would be interested to know if the department is working with the Department of Health and Social Services. They are working on this Addictions Recovery Action Plan, which looks at the recommendations that committee made about after-care, including not discharging people from an institutional setting, whether a jail or a treatment centre or a hospital, into homelessness. I am wondering if they are working alongside Health and Social Services on that issue. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Green. Mr. Goldney.