This is page numbers 1443 - 1480 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I am going to start off with a comment. I agree with what my colleagues on this side of the House are saying, that this is not going to help us close the municipal funding gap and that the 19th Assembly needs to do better when it comes to closing the municipal funding gap. Closing the municipal funding gap, we have talked a lot about empowering communities if we want communities to be able to take on greater decision-making capabilities, if we want them to do program development. This week alone, we have talked a lot about after-care resources, we have talked a lot about addiction supports. If we want to be able to work with municipalities to be able to run these kinds of programs, then we need to empower them financially to do so.

There is also the element of jobs. The Conference Board of Canada has come out and has said that municipalities create twice the amount of jobs per million that territorial or provincial levels of government are able to create, and so it's a job piece, as well. It turns around and creates jobs in small communities, which is also another mandate item for the 19th Assembly. On top of that, I do not think it's a stretch to say this funding is a mental-health piece. Right now, in the middle of COVID, this funding goes directly to our municipalities and our communities to be able to build and create and run facilities that keep our kids active and that keep our kids busy, and so this money is very important in order to play a key role in keeping our kids active at a time when we desperately need it. I would definitely like to highlight that these dollars have to do with community wellness and our imperative to being able to allow communities to grow programs and grow facilities so that our Northerners have stuff to do.

The question I have is: if this is the capital money going towards communities -- we have communities like Yellowknife that are looking at major capital projects. For example, the City of Yellowknife is doing the water submarine line right now, and they have gone through the process of getting capital dollars through the federal government to be able to fund that. That funding leaves on the table a need for $8.6 million to be able to fully fund that project. With this kind of closure of the municipal funding gap, we are not there yet, so is the GNWT prepared to support the need for an additional $8.6 million for the water submarine pipeline for the City of Yellowknife? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of MACA.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am familiar with the water sewer line for Yellowknife. We also have a similar situation in Inuvik, as well, and looking at that, the funding that is available. I am familiar that they did have a federal application going forward, but I will refer the response to Ms. Young for a further update. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy Minister Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. This funding would be one of the tools to assist in supporting that cost-share requirement for federal programming. There are other opportunities that we are trying to support the city with. As you can imagine, an amount like $5 million, even if we were to say it was $5 million going strictly to this funding pot, it does get distributed to a formula, so it does not go specifically to one community or one project. That is the way that our funding program works, so we do not have specific community projects on the GNWT capital plan. It's done through a formula basis, and those are choices the community makes. However, we have tried to support them to identify other cost-share opportunities.

The other thing that we are trying to do is have some significant conversations with Canada about this 75-25 cost-share component because it does put a significant burden on communities when they are applying for federal funding. There are lots of federal opportunities that come out there, but if they have to put 25-cent dollars to every one that they apply on, they very quickly run out of the money that is available for cost-share. We are also using that approach to see if we cannot work with Canada specifically on the city program because, that particular funding program, depending on the type of applicant, some projects were 100-percent funded and some were 75 percent. We are trying to advocate that the city's application should have been considered as 100-percent funded to help them out of this situation. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Committee Motion 43-18(3): Tabled Document 181-19(2): Capital Estimates 2020-2021 - Health and Social Services - Deferral of Department (page 29), Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Deputy Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thanks very much, Madam Chair. No. I value what the deputy minister has just pointed out, and I think it's a really important message for the government to hear. I find it ironic at times that, with a federal government that is pushing so heavily on social supports and housing, that really it's this 75-25 that ends up tying up a lot of our territorial dollars in stuff like infrastructure, which is definitely valuable and definitely important. It means that there are no dollars left over for capital projects like housing and capital projects that support addictions treatment in the Northwest Territories, which we have heard so much about on the floor this week. I think that the federal government hearing that message, that 75-25 just simply does not work for the Northwest Territories, is so important. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you. I will take that as a comment. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Any further questions, comments? Okay. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

I am also concerned about the municipal funding gap, especially when it comes to the community of Fort Smith. The question is, for me: the formula funding is based on per capita; am I correct?

Committee Motion 43-18(3): Tabled Document 181-19(2): Capital Estimates 2020-2021 - Health and Social Services - Deferral of Department (page 29), Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. There was a study that was done and a report that was done, I think, in the last government, and how they determined and came up with those numbers, I am going to refer the question to Ms. Eleanor Young. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy Minister Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will try to do this in a few sentences, and then we will offer a briefing with more detail if Members are interested. The way that this was built was: we started with capital and core capital needs for every community. Then we built on what the operating costs would cost for each of those types of infrastructure. If it was running a water plant or running a gym, what would the operating costs be that were tied to that infrastructure? Then on top of that, built program dollars that were not specifically tied to the infrastructure. For example, if you are running a recreation program that can run out of any facility, how much on top of that would be required for recreation programs or council expenses or things that were not tied to the specific piece of infrastructure. It was a multi-layered approach, but it started with the core infrastructure in the community and then built from there. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Deputy Minister. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

On page 63, we have all the communities listed, and it says "estimated completion," or they don't have any allocations. I am wondering if the allocations to the communities are equal per capita with the formula funding.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

[Microphone turned off] ...who decides that? I want to know who actually decides, who makes those decisions.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister for MACA.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am going to revert the question to Ms. Eleanor Young because the communities operate very differently in the Northwest Territories, and I will have her explain. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy Minister Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. The first thing to clarify is it is not calculated per capita, so it is not designed that way for communities. It is based on the replacement cost of the infrastructure that exists in the community. There are differences, for example, in the type of water plant that a community needs, based on the source water and the size of the community. It's not equal per community, because those costs are significantly different in each community. The amount of funding for each community does differ, and it's based on that formula calculation that makes the determination on what funding goes to what community. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Deputy Minister. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. My other question was not answered: who decides on which project is going to be replaced or an old infrastructure is going to be replaced within a community? Because a lot of our communities, including Fort Smith, have a lot of old infrastructure that has never, ever been replaced, from the time that I can remember. I'm just wondering: who decides that? Is it one person? Is it a board? How is that decided, the criteria, the terms of reference? Thank you, Madam Chair.