This is page numbers 2163 - 2198 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was services.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Ms. Cleveland.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I have a delicate question. I have tried to find ways back to being able to ask about the adult FASD clinic. I am just going to ask it here because I feel like the two are related. In the Northwest Territories, we do have a high number of instances of FASD. We also do have people who really struggle with cognitive disabilities. I think that all of this also relates back somewhat to supportive living. I believe it relates back to integrated service delivery models, and I think that this is something that the North really needs is to find ways to better support Northerners at home where they live. I think that's part of the health of our communities and the health of our people. I really do look forward to this work, but I think that it lends itself to a bigger conversation, for sure.

I would also like to be able to ask about medical services of hospitals and physician services provided to Northwest Territories residents outside of the NWT. One of my concerns right now is that some of the residents of the Northwest Territories who require medical services are either not wanting to travel or are unable to travel because of COVID right now. I am wondering if the Department of Health and Social Services is somehow monitoring reasons that people need to see a physician so that they are able to potentially bring up a locum or a need that could serve multiple residents. They're kind of looking at the reverse; instead of sending people down south, can we bring up specific locums to serve a need to provide healthcare to residents? Thank you.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Yes. I have to say, honestly, that's a bewildering list of questions. I am just going to try, if I can, to start with the FASD portion, and then maybe the Member can just go over, again, the physician and out-of-territory care.

What I want to say about out-of-territory care is that the reason people go out of territory is because we don't have the appropriate services for their needs available in the NWT. It's not our wish to have them go away, but rather, it's a necessity. Some of these people have lived outside of the territory for the majority of their lives and, in fact, have replacement social units in the places that they live. Having said that, we understand that there are families who would like to have their family members repatriated to the NWT. That's the point of the report that is going to be done this year, to find out what those needs are and whether we can meet them.

In terms of FASD, I don't know if that specific diagnosis is tracked in the out-of-territory placements. We do know that FASD is one of those co-occurring conditions that may occur with addictions. It may occur with low intellectual functioning. It could be that some of the clients who are out-of-territory have this diagnosis. I have no idea whether we have that level of information available to us here, but I will look to the deputy minister to see if he can add anything. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Deputy Minister.

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Cooper

Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, I don't have any information about the number of individuals outside of the territory with FASD. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Questions on this section? Ms. Nokleby.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am just curious to know, when I look at the addictions treatment facilities costs, in the actuals for 2019-2020, it was $2.4 million. We have estimated we will probably be just under $2.1 million this year. Can the department or the Minister speak to how realistic that is? Do we anticipate changes to these numbers because some of the facilities have shut down, and perhaps there's maybe a reluctance for people to go south? Do we think we are going to spend that $2 million? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have seen the participation numbers for this year, and compared to the previous fiscal year, they are down by a half to two-thirds. I do anticipate that we won't be spending this entire amount on facility-based treatment this year.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Member.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Maybe, then, can the Minister comment on how the money would be repurposed and whether or not it would be repurposed into other addictions treatment or supports up here in the North? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

The money that is going to be unspent in this fiscal year, I am not clear that that can be carried over and applied, so I would like to refer the question to the director of finance. Thank you.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Director.

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Mathison

Thank you, Mr. Chair. If there were funds there that weren't spent this year in 2021, those funds would just lapse at this point. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Member.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And then, of course, just go back into the general revenue? I see nods. Okay. Thank you. I just want to reiterate maybe some concerns I have heard with repatriating people to the North, and I just would like to throw my support around. That seems to be a really hot topic and one area that I would like us to be working more towards. Maybe the Minister could speak to the fluctuations of the fees and payments line item. There is a $50 million line item in 2019 for the actuals, but then we have an estimated of almost $36 million, and for our year coming up, it's at $40 million. Can we get more information on that? Thank you. Page 189.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Minister.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Yes. Thank you. It's my understanding that, yes, there is a lot of fluctuation in this area. It's hard to predict how many people will need out-of-territory treatment and what that will end up costing. However, for more detail in this area, I would like you to please call on the director of finance. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Director.

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Mathison

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, very difficult to forecast the need in this area. In 2019-2020, there was supplementary funding of about $13 million that was added to the budget, which was one-time funding, and then the following year the budget returned to its normal, and no request for supplementary funding has been made for this year. You see the budget has increased to $40 million for 2021-2022, though. That reflects a forecasted need based on a look at the past five years to determine where we forecast the use of out-of-territory hospitals and physicians to be for 2021-2022, but again, that is a forecast. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Member.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am guessing part of that uncertainty would then also be the fact that we are moving more towards telehealth. Will that impact this line item if more of our services are provided online versus having to send patients to the South? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Minister.