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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. One more quick question: where does the supplementary reserve fit in on this page, somehow? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Madam Chair, if I could perhaps suggest the deputy minister is a better place to explain the supplementary reserve, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy minister.

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Kalgutkar

Thank you, Madam Chair. The supplementary reserve is on the operation summary page. It's not reflected on this sheet. I can't even remember the page number, but when you look at the sheet that shows what our total revenues are and our total expenditures, that comes out, that then calculates what our projected operating surplus is for the year. That's where you will see the supplementary reserve number. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, deputy minister. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Trying to dive through all of this, I am looking at the line item for the capital leases under the Government of the Northwest Territories subheading. I note that we currently don't have debt on the books or projected for the end of 2022; however, there is the $500,000 in contingency noting that the contingency is based on the working capital requirements. As the note says: Does the government anticipate that they are going to take on new debt or some sort of new expense here that we haven't currently been spending money on? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Again, as I was just saying, there are a number of contingencies fairly conservatively built in. I am not expecting right now that there would be any need for this, but it is an item that is, again, put in here to ensure that there is sufficient flexibility and room in the fiscal plan and in the borrowing plan to not have anything unexpected that's not built into what we are projecting. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I know what a contingency is. I am curious to know what you anticipate you would be now accruing or what would be occurring under capital leases. Do you expect to hire more people for the government and have to expand office space? I'm just curious to know why that's showing up there as a contingency. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Perhaps I will suggest that we direct this one to the deputy minister from the accounting perspective as to why we decided to include it on this line item here. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Deputy minister.

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Kalgutkar

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just like the other contingencies that are in that column, we are not anticipating undertaking any leases that would be deemed capital leases, but the government does enter into lease arrangements during the course of the year that may or may not be assessed as a capital lease depending on the terms of those lease arrangements. We just wanted to provide a bit of flexibility in there just in case. When the terms of those agreements are reviewed by the Comptroller General's office and they are deemed capital leases, then we would have some flexibility to record them there. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, deputy minister. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

I'm still curious to know what those potentially could perhaps be, but I will move on. I just wanted to come back to some comments made by my colleagues around coming close to the debt limit. I, too, am concerned to see that we are doing a lot of borrowing now and spending a lot of money in what I feel like should start to become more of an austerity type time, not taking on new debt.

However, that being said, when the Minister commented around what she thinks will reduce that or not make us hit that limit, it was about comments around Health and Social Services or the health authorities and their fiscal sustainability and then the government renewal, which are both going to take some time, I imagine. What I am concerned is to not hear anything around the mineral resources sector, et cetera, which I understand is not in this part of the budget. However, being that it is 40 percent of our GDP, I will be having questions for the Minister when she puts her other hat on as ITI, so thank you. More of a comment.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Great Slave. I will take that as a comment. Did you have any other questions? Do we have any other questions on the borrowing plan from Members? No further questions on the borrowing plan? Borrowing plan for the government reporting entity and establish borrowing limits for the Government of the Northwest Territories, total consolidated borrowing, $1,587,475,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Does committee agree that consideration of the borrowing plan is completed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, committee. We will now move on to the Department of Finance. Committee, we will defer the departmental summary and review the estimates by activity summary, beginning with the directorate, starting with page 140 with information items on page 143. Questions? Does committee have any questions for the directorate? Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. There is a contribution here to the NWT Housing Corporation, and I am wondering if the Department of Finance has begun conversations about converting the NWT Housing Corporation to a regular GNWT department? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister of Finance.