This is page numbers 2439 - 2492 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Mr. Williams.

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Williams

Madam Chair, certainly, looking at alternative energy, it's important for us. O and M is the biggest part of our budget, so looking at reducing O and M through biomass or through other energy efficiencies is huge for us as a corporation. We work with our communities. We have a program out there that is suited. It's a very flexible program. It's called the community housing support initiative program, and if communities have a desire to go down that path, like the Hamlet of Aklavik did, they got into a biomass project last year. They asked the Housing Corporation to buy into the project, to use that service, the biomass product, to heat one of our six-plexes in Aklavik. It's a good arrangement. It's helping make their project viable, but at the same time, we are using an alternative heating source for that infrastructure. We are always open to it. We always encourage communities. Our program is very flexible. If they have an idea, let's talk about it. We are open to these discussions because reducing energy consumption and cost is a big thing for the corporation. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Yes, I appreciate that. Is there any specific work that the Housing Corporation has done or is interested in doing with wood chips as opposed to wood pellets? Wood chips, I think that is the way we have to go here. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. As far as I know, we are just working with the wood pellets, and the wood chips would be something that we would have to have a further discussion about. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I want to encourage the Housing Corporation to be a little bit more proactive on this front and not just sit back and wait for somebody to come to you. If you have a new four-plex you are setting up in a community that does have potential access to wood chips, look at it as a potential. Do it as a pilot project. I am sure you could partner with Aurora Research Institute and Arctic Energy Alliance. I think there would be money out there to do that kind of stuff, so I want to encourage you guys to be a little bit more innovative and look at doing a pilot project with wood chips. Thanks. That is all I have got. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

All right. Thank you, Member. Minister, did you have any last comments?

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

No comments. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

I think we are going to take a break here, and then we will resume and finish up this department and then have the last item. Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

I call committee back to order. Committee, we are continuing on with finance and infrastructure services, and I have Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm hoping committee can indulge me for a bit in that I want to speak a bit about the infrastructure investment for the Housing Corporation. I note we get their capital budget in the fall, but it's kind of an information item. This is where their capital budget is now set. Can I just have a bit of an explanation? This year, we spent $47 million on capital, or the Housing Corporation did, but they are budgeting $10 million. Can I have a bit of an explanation for that decrease in infrastructure investment? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have Vice-President Martin respond. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Martin.

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Martin

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. Our investment in capital compared to 2020-2021 did decline. Within our fiscal framework, we have to accommodate both our capital investment plans as well as our operational plans, and we did invest additional dollars and set aside additional dollars for the co-investment investments for Arnica Inn as well as for the Hay River Family Support Centre. Those additional investments resulted in a reduction in our available capital dollars for 2021-2022. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

I don't know exactly how to answer this, but one of the problems I struggle with is that we pass the Housing Corporation operations budget. Then they go away and decide what their capital budget is, and $10 million, I think everyone would agree, including the Housing Corporation, is not enough. I recognize that what happens is then we try to find extra money, but can I get a sense of, once we pass this budget here, what the Housing Corporation is actually going to spend on capital? I believe, every year, we actually end up finding more money somehow, but I want to know what that number is projected to be by passing this budget. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have Vice-President Martin respond. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Martin.

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Martin

Thank you, Madam Chair. This budget reflects a contribution from the GNWT of approximately $76 million. That's about 70 percent of our revenues for the year, and those funds are utilized, as I mentioned, to cover both our operations and maintenance O and M requirements, which we are reviewing today, and the capital estimates amount of $10.625 million, which was reviewed previously. In terms of the outlook for next year, the Housing Corporation will be delivering the $10.625 million of planned capital investments, as well as any carry-over projects that we will not be able to finalize this year. That would include a number of the projects associated with the RCMP housing delivery. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. I just wish that we would have more capital and build more buildings. Can I get a bit of an update on the Arnica and whether the Housing Corporation expects to spend that money that is allotted for the co-investment fund, and whether they expect the CMHC to actually come through and finish that deal? Thank you, Madam Chair.