Thank you. Mr. Wind.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you. Is anyone able to tell me any numbers about this? I know we don't do that but, you know, how much were we initially planning to spend years ago and then have we spent any money to date here in our failed procurement attempts? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I think, Madam Chair, my understanding at this point is that we are in year one of a three-year project and so the costs will begin to be incurred in the upcoming fiscal year. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Yeah, and I guess I'm wondering if -- you know, this is one of those areas where I also find a hard time for any of us to provide any accountability. You know, we spend millions on licensing and software and trying to procure these things, there's often problems. I understand that is the case across all governments. I don't really know anything about IT but I'm wondering if -- well, I guess I'll start with a question.

I heard Infrastructure is planning a dashboard to kind of update projects as they go along and perhaps release some sort of five-year capital plan, and I believe almost every jurisdiction does. Would software be included in that dashboard, or is that simply Infrastructure's capital? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm not privy to Infrastructure's plans for their dashboards for their projects but I can certainly take away the prospect of a dashboard for all of the IT projects that sit under Finance. Thank you.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Yeah, thank you. And I think perhaps, you know, some sort of -- I mean, it's somewhat ironic to me that how little information publicly available with the Office of the Chief Information Officer. You know, we rolled ISSS into, you know, one department, and there's millions of dollars there. I'm wondering if the Minister could take back the idea of perhaps -- you know, I don't even know how many software licences we have presently, how much they presently cost, when they are up for renewal. But I expect that if you looked at the replacement costs and the licensing costs, it's tens of millions of dollars. I don't know exactly the divide of when the chief information officer has it versus department because I know Health is also spending millions of dollars in health software, but I believe they do that on their own. But I'm just wondering if somewhere all of that information could be compiled and then some day, hopefully, someone could perhaps try and track some of the issues that have happened with software procurement. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I certainly like the idea of a tracking mechanism. There may be some challenges to determine the cutoff points. And what I mean by that is at what size of or scope of software or materials do we begin to put on the tracker versus not. But perhaps I'll just ask if Mr. Wind could just speak a bit to the nature of some of the assets that we do have, what is tracked; again, there's probably room to improve that. I appreciate the suggestion. As I say, I do certainly want to spend a bit more time on it but at least we can get a sense of what we do now. Again, I suggest it go to Mr. Wind, please.

Thank you. Mr. Wind.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess I asked this during -- yeah, and that would also kind of allude to my point of I could go to every single department and try and find in their operations some sort of licensing contract. I mean, actually I couldn't do that and it wouldn't become publicly available. But I think I would easily get to tens of millions of dollars quite quickly in licensing fees every year, let alone the actual initial capital ask that gets made here.

But I wanted to ask one last question, which was, that Infrastructure is spending an undisclosed amount of millions of dollars on replacing all its capital servers. I know the federal government has switched to a cloud first computing model. I recognize that some servers for some information may be needed, but the reason governments are looking at doing that is it's quite cheaper. I'm wondering if that is something the Office of the Chief Information Officer has looked at, is some sort of cloud server system. Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

I'll turn that over to the chief information officer, please.

Thank you.

Thank you. Are there any further questions, comments, under the Office of the Chief Information Officer?

All right, seeing none. Finance, Office of the Chief Information Officer, infrastructure investments, $3,380,000. Does committee agree? Thank you.