This is page numbers 3523 - 3558 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Minister of NWT Housing Corp, did you want to respond?

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. And my apologies, I'm not sure if I was supposed to inform you that I wanted to switch witnesses.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Okay. We haven't switched sections yet.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Okay, just in response to the MLA from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh, it was just the appropriate witness to be responding. Is that all right? My apologies that I done that without getting the approval first.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

If you want to get your president to respond, or you? I mean, this is the last speaker on this section, so.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Because I switched out the witnesses without letting you know. Just that I really like those comments coming from the MLA.

And looking at our Indigenous partnerships, you know, for the territories, we have made significant progress within the last two years of this government and looking at creating the -- and working with the Council of Leaders and looking at our policy review and the renewal coming forward. And really highlighting the work that's being done on the co-investment fund, that we've had a large number of submissions that have come forward which gives us the opportunity to be working with those Indigenous groups directly.

There has been a number of announcements that have been made by the federal government to directly fund the Indigenous groups, and our messaging to Canada was if you don't want to -- if we're not going to be receiving the funding directly to the Northwest Territories, then fund the Indigenous groups and we'll work together; we'll work in partnership with them. And so far, we have been able to also address the partnerships in the communities looking at homelessness, looking at our Northern Pathways program and what is that we can offer.

But specifically for the Member's riding, the Housing Corporation is open to be an invitation to coming into that community. What is that needs to be done? If it's home repair, then we do have a community housing initiative that we can start working with the Indigenous groups there as well. If we're looking at housing repair and our policies are a barrier, that is exactly what that program is for. If we could directly fund the community and they can provide those services on our behalf, I'm absolutely open to that. But for further elaboration and our commitment and our relationship building, I will turn it over to associate deputy minister Jamie Fulford. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. -- sorry, I didn't get the last name.

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Fulford

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to add to what the Minister has said there, the renewal strategy of the corporation that was released in the fall places a specific emphasis on collaborating with Indigenous governments and also addressing that perception that in the past it might have looked like we were in competition with Indigenous governments, particularly for federal funding. It's also a matter that we've raised with our federal partners so that they design their programs in a way that doesn't pit NWT governments against each other.

Another key development from June of last year was the inaugural meeting of the Council of Leaders and the striking of Council of Leaders housing working group. There, we're able to talk about our policies and programming, and we've initiated that step of reviewing those policies and programming with the Council of Leaders working group. So they have direct input on whether we -- whether our programs are a good fit with what their goals are.

And finally, I'd just like to make the point that this government has made a point of supporting direct funding to Indigenous governments. It's not something that certainly the Housing Corporation stands in the way of. We know that we're not -- we're not the only game in town and that Indigenous governments are well positioned to support their own interests. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. All right, so if there are no further questions, we will move to the executive beginning on page 380, with information items on 381. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I see there's one additional position in the executive. Can the minister explain what that position is?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Minister of NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have president Young respond. I'm not on that section; I'm just trying to find my page here. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. President Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. And I can say he just walked out the door. It is our associate deputy minister who has joined us on a term to support the renewal and federal engagement, and he's joined us last May. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Hay River -- Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. My understanding of how the government works is assistant deputy ministers are essentially in charge of operations of a department, and I know the Housing Corp's a little different, and then associate deputy ministers are usually deputy ministers in waiting or on terms to eventually take over. Is that kind of the thought with this position, that the associate deputy minister may one day be the president, or is he just here for a term for the sake of the renewal? Can I just get some clarification on -- really, I don't understand "assistant" and "associate" partially. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, member. I will give this to the Honourable Premier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Actually I appointed that position directly because I wanted a total policy review of the Housing Corporation. So that person is responsible for doing the policy review with the Indigenous governments at the Council of Leaders table so that all of the policies within housing will be done, reviewed, and hopefully changed within the term of this government. So it was an appointment from myself. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Madam Premier. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. And I would like to thank the Premier for that answer. I think that that's great. I think it's great to have a senior person leading, you know, what is a very important renewal, and I look forward to the results of that.

I guess I have some questions a bit about where we think this renewal is going. I know we got the new statement and vision today. And I think the way I would frame the long-standing tension in the Housing Corporation is whether it is a social envelope department or whether it should be a corporation that is solely focused on assets and infrastructure. And I'll note this has led to some weird situations where a lot of our shelter money is in health, and then the other half is in housing. Sometimes there's a distinction made between day and night shelters, but that has even been blurred. Most of the shelters in Yellowknife are predominantly funded by health in a lot of cases.

So I'm just wondering if part of that conversation is perhaps bringing in some more homelessness experts and bringing in some of that perhaps shelter money and positions from health, if that's on the table. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. For further description and response, I'll have president Young respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. President Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. And with the division mission document that was released yesterday, I hope that folks do see a shift in thinking towards the more social aspect of the Housing Corporation, that we're not just bricks and mortar but that we are a program department.

With regards to the homelessness conversation, as noted there's been a lot of confusion. It is something that straddles at least three departments, if not more. And we hope to be bringing forward a strategic approach to that in the next matter of time here that will talk about how to bring those things where there is consistency and approach, consistency in the way that we fund and -- our support. I mentioned earlier things like operating guidelines, training. Those are things that we've heard across the board that we need to work better at across departments to support the vulnerable population team. So that is what we're working with our sister departments on at the moment. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.