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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. So my -- and I think this is the issue that I've been raising, and I know that the Minister had mentioned in the House that there's no capital, but then this gets really confusing for -- I'm not a finance person. So we've got a crown corporation but we -- the buildings that we want to -- if we want to house people, we need -- we need the houses. So those become capital but we're paying, you know, a million dollars a year to house 40 -- you know, to have 45 rental units just in Inuvik. That's just in Inuvik, which is double the cost of the -- then I think in Yellowknife, if you look at it, 65 units is 1.2 for 65 units. You know, so we're paying -- we're paying some crazy amounts for rent up in the North and, you know, my colleague from Yellowknife North has mentioned this over and over again about how we're giving all the money to these southern companies, and I just feel that, you know, with the amount of units that we're spending this O and M money that we could potentially in the future have a building because we also have the college who's leasing units for residents that are coming in -- families that are coming in for the college.

So will the Minister explain, like, what's the -- with these leases and with the future plan of trying to come up with a plan in -- especially in my community of Inuvik where we have a hundred people still on the waitlist yet we're leasing for 45 families units, what's the plan and how are we going to continue to, you know, pay for this when we're renting out whole apartment buildings instead of -- it's cheaper to own and operate an apartment building ourself. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to comment that, you know, the total for our main estimates here is $5 million and a little bit there. But, you know, we don't have -- if we were to build a 45-unit complex, I don't know what that amount would be but we don't have an additional 50 million just sitting there that we can go ahead and we could -- we could construct a 45-unit building in Inuvik. And what I've -- you know, within the department, it would be cheaper for us to lease but then over the duration of time, we actually could be possibly owning those units if we're operating and maintaining them. So it's a question that I have here and -- within the corporation and also being challenged here in Yellowknife as well with all of our Northview leases. But we don't have that substantial amount of money coming in that we're able to look at entering into a project such as that. And I'll have vice president Jim Martin respond as well too. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Martin.

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Martin

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, again, as the Minister mentioned, we certainly look at these items on a case by case basis. Right now in terms of the Inuvik buildings, we have lease opportunities in the community. If we were to have purchase opportunities, we would certainly look at that, again on a case by case, and look at the cost benefits of either option. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Martin. Member.

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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. And you know, with all the money -- like, the announcement that the Minister had mentioned and that I raised during my Member's statement and question period with all of the Indigenous governments, you know, and I know that this government has really been working with Indigenous governments. So I'm really hoping that, you know, there's a lot of money that's going to be going out to Indigenous groups throughout Canada, you know, for housing, and I'm sure hoping that this government will try and build some -- build many units, even if it's apartments, for the residents in Inuvik and for some of the college families that will be -- now that, you know, with everything moving forward and COVID restrictions, you know, people are going to be -- start applying for college and wanting to go to school in the different communities, and we're going to need places for them to stay. So just more of a comment but I'm just hoping that housing is working together with ECE to make sure that we're -- we're securing that now. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chair. But with the announcement with all the Indigenous -- with Indigenous groups receiving the funding, this is federal funding, and we don't have -- we haven't had that conversation and we haven't been provided with the numbers that they would be receiving. And also the plans of how they're going to be spending this money and if they're interested in wanting to know what it is that we do have looking at our numbers, looking at our waitlist, what it is that we actually do own in the smaller communities. But I really want to emphasize that this is federal money. It -- we weren't apart of that distribution and how that money was getting distributed throughout the Northwest Territories. But we're here as a corporation, and we're wanting to engage. And hopefully once they receive their announcements and we see it publicly as well too, that we would be able to meet with them through the Council of Leaders working group as well too. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Minister. No further questions? Any further questions on lease commitments? Nothing. Thank you, Members.

Please return now to the Housing Corporation summary found on page 70 -- or 373, with information items on pages 374 and 375. Any kind of questions? Nothing. Thank you.

Does the committee agree that consideration of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation -- oh sorry, Mr. O'Reilly.

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I move that this committee defer further consideration of the estimates for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation at this time. Mahsi, Mr. Chair.

The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. The motion is in order. To the motion?

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

All those in favour? Opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Consideration of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation 2022-2023 Main Estimates, operating expenditures, is deferred.

Thank you, Minister, and thanks to the witnesses for appearing before us. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses from the Chamber.

Mr. O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I move that the chair rise and report progress.

The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

The motion is in order. Non-debatable. All those in favour? Opposed? Motion carried.

---Carried

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Order. May I please have the report of Committee of the Whole. Member for Hay River South.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bills 23, 29, and 38; Tabled Document 561-19(2), Minister's Statement 202-19(2), Tabled Document 567-19(2), and would like to report progress with one motion adopted. And Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Do we have a seconder? Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. All those in favour? All those opposed? Any abstentions? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, orders of the day.

Orders Of The Day
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February 28th, 2022

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Clerk Of The House Mr. Tim Mercer

Orders of the Day for Tuesday, March 1st, 2022, 1:30 p.m.

  1. Prayer
  2. Ministers' Statements
  3. Members' Statements
  4. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
  5. Reports of Comittees on the Review of Bills
  6. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
  7. Returns to Oral Questions
  8. Replies to the Budget Address (Day 6 of 7)
  9. Acknowledgements
  10. Oral Questions
  11. Written Questions
  12. Returns to Written Questions
  13. Replies to Commissioner's Address
  14. Petitions
  15. Tabling of Documents
  16. Notices of Motions
  17. Motions
  18. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills
  19. First Reading of Bills
  20. Second Reading of Bills
  21. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
  • Bill 23, An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act
  • Bill 29, Resource Royalty Information Disclosure Statute Amendment Act
  • Bill 38, Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2021
  • Tabled Document 561-19(2), 2022-2023 Main Estimates
  • Tabled Document 567-19(2), Annual Status Report - 2019-2023 Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories, February 2021-january 2022
  • Minister's Statement 202-19(2), Annual Status Report on the Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories, 2019-2023
  1. Report of Committee of the Whole
  2. Third Reading of Bills
  3. Orders of the Day

Orders Of The Day
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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Tuesday, March 1st, 2022, at 1:30 p.m.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 2:05 p.m.