Thank you, Member for Monfwi. I know that the president did say by the end of this government. So I guess that's as best answer as we're going to get. Did you have any further questions? Any further questions under the executive? Seeing none. We will -- oh, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Again, I want to keep talking about housing and in our community, housing's a big issue, like I mentioned a few days ago. And I can't emphasize enough of it. I used to sit on the AFN housing committee going back to 1999, and at the national level we were about 45,000 housing short across Canada. Here in the Northwest Territories, back then, we were about 4500 homes short. And these numbers had no place but to go up. And I'm not really sure what it is today in that respect. But I wanted to touch on one thing that -- that was talked about here earlier is that -- and I mentioned this the other day too as well.

Right now the state of the affairs of the NWT Housing Corporation with the Indigenous governments in our communities are not looking good right now. The policies that are in place just don't work for us. These policies were never brought to our communities. We were never properly consulted. They said this is how it's going to be. We have the view of these policies are southern policies trying to be put on to our communities that just doesn't work.

Chief Martselos talked about her issues, and I agree with her. It's come to point where in working with Indigenous governments, it's become a trust issue now. And I'm hearing this again here today that it's still a big issue. And at the same time on Friday, I mentioned that we're also completing for same dollars. That don't make sense at all.

Maybe it's time -- you know, the Housing Corporation's 50 years old now. It was born in 1972. If it's not working, then we should have a review, independent review of the Housing Corporation, because they been getting money from Ottawa for a long time but yet in our community, I got tenants; I got constituent members have sewers in their bathtub.

The Housing Corporation policies says you make too much money or you don't make enough. So sooner or later, it's frustrating. We got a lot of vacant houses in the community that are sitting empty because the policies they had created through the Housing Corporation, people -- are in those communities, we have about -- Fort Resolution, we got about 20, 30 homes that are sitting empty. And that's -- times that by 33 communities throughout the Northwest Territories.

So if we don't get this thing right this time, then I -- I'm losing faith, because as a former Chief I'm deeply concerned. And so if we're going to do this and fix this right, then we should actually do a full review, work with Indigenous governments, come up with some kind of agreement as to how we're going to work this problem out, otherwise we're going to be here next year and next year and year after and going to be the same problem all over again.

So it's frustrating for me to sit here and listen to this and then when I go back to my budgets for my community, I got a little bit of money. Then I find out that there's not much there for repair programs.

So going forward, I think I'll be making an approach to the Minister of Housing Corporation that I'm going to be asking for looking at doing assessments of my homes in our communities so that I'm able to come forward next budget and say, hey look, I know exactly what I need in my community for dollars and repair dollars for our homes.

And then I read your document here saying that we're going to look at building affordable homes, and I don't see it in my budget here as well, how we're going to do that. $20 million is not enough. And I agree, it's going to be between 500 million to a million -- a billion dollars just to try and get these problems fixed.

And the United Nation Declaration on the rights of Indigenous people, it talks about housing too. So if we are going to come together, we should have a big forum as to how we're going to deal with this issue, otherwise we should actually do the review of the Housing Corporation to try and fix the problem.

I just -- I don't want no response, Madam Chair. I'm only expressing what I hear in the communities. I'm expressing as a former Chief -- I'm only expressing what I hear in the communities that I represent. We need to fix these problems. Not tomorrow or down the road; it's got to be today. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Thank you, Members. So now we will move on to finance and infrastructure services beginning on page 338 -- or no, sorry, 383, with information items on 384 and 385. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I see that there's $955,000 here for debt repayment. I believe -- can I just get an explanation of what that is? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have vice-president Jim Martin respond. Thank you.

Thank you. Vice-president Mr. Martin.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to ask two questions here I think for efficiency. I see that the 2021 actuals were $355,000. Can I just get an explanation of why there is a $600,000 increase in the amount we're paying CMHC and what the total amount that we owe CMHC is? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have vice-president Jim Martin respond. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Martin.

Go ahead, Mr. Martin.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Can I just get a bit of an explanation of how this all works? We get $20 million a year from CMHC but then we pay them back a million a year because we owe them 30 million, and I get they're just different agreements. I guess that's why that's happening. But how -- does this number have any relation to 2038? I guess I'll start with that question. Thank you.

All right. Member for NWT Housing Corporation.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have vice-president Jim Martin respond. Thank you.

Mr. Martin. Sorry, Minister. I called you Member. Mr. Martin.

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.