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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess the next thing then is that, you know, we've got -- we've got MTS sitting there and whether it's -- we're fully utilizing their assets or not, would it make any sense to -- if we're paying for the assets and maintenance and that, would it make any sense to -- you know, not to bring it around from Washington over the top but continue to bring it down by rail for any cost savings? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of Infrastructure.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Some brought over the top versus the North Slope of Alaska may offer risk management advantages, and I think that's just further to add from Mr. Brennan's comment earlier. But the reliability of quality and delivery are the greatest importance, to be able to deliver fuel in a fashion that is safe for our communities as well. But I mean, I hear the Member's comments in terms of how to utilize MTS. I mean, we do have fuel storages. This year we did something a little new up in Tuktoyaktuk where we're looking at planning to be able to have bigger fuel storages so that we don't be able to tug so much fuel up and we have enough storage in some of our regional centres. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess the other thing about bringing it over the top is that, you know, it -- I suspect it'll impact, you know, the opportunities for jobs, opportunities for northern business as well. You know, we've got a number of fuel suppliers or middlemen here in the territories. And I wonder if that's taken into account as well as, you know, the impact on employment, the impact on business opportunities? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Infrastructure.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm not sure. I mean, we could predict so or we could predict not. But I'm going to see if Mr. Brennan can add anything further just given, you know -- he's got a little more knowledge on some of the costs and some of the savings in terms of how we deliver fuel in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Brennan.

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Brennan

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, and that's a good point, and it's actually the subject of discussion that we had this week in talking about this, was what are the impacts on MTS. And right now, I think that'll be part of the evaluation process after next -- after this coming season, is what are the impacts. My understanding is that they're negligible because of the way they operate in terms of basically transferring the fuel from the tank -- from the trains directly into the -- into the barges for shipment. But there might be some impacts that should be evaluated. So we'll consider that when we do the evaluation next year. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, I think it's important that, you know, that we -- we try to ensure that we're using northern businesses and we're using northern labour, we're maximizing that.

The other thing, I guess the question is, when we do bring it over the top and we transfer it to other barges there in Tuk, are we using MTS barges, or are we using somebody else's? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Infrastructure.

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Diane Archie

Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, we are using MTS barges. And actually, it was later in the fall where we, through MTS, assisted some of the local barges to be able to ensure that we have fuel in -- fuel supply for communities such as Inuvik, Tuk, and Aklavik. So we had MTS provide that support for that as well. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson

Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. You know, again I just want to reiterate that, you know, that we do have northern businesses that do invest a lot here in the territories. You know, we have a lot of people up and down the Valley that are looking for work. And so I think it's very important when you do your assessment, you know, that we use that as a consideration as well. And I can understand the risk assessment. You know, I've got -- you know, I don't really have a problem with that because we don't want any major spills, especially in, you know, in our rivers or in any waters. So -- but, you know, just look at all the -- I just ask that you look at, you know, at all the areas when considering how we're going to move fuel. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Infrastructure, you're good? No further questions? Okay. Member for Monfwi.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Yeah, I just wanted to ask -- I know it's getting late, and we're all tired. And I know when I said that six -- we make up 6 percent of the population and you said, you know, we don't use the population. But I wanted to ask, well, nine positions in Tlicho region, my constituents, they use that road a lot. That's why I said that, because we use the road. And now Whati's -- you know, the all-season road is open. So it would be nice if we can have some of these position. 47, you know, in North Slave, and this is the first one that I saw, you know, in Tlicho region in this part of your regional operations.

Is there any plan that some of those positions can come to Tlicho region in the future? Like, because that road is busy and we do need, you know, more position to be transfer to the regions who -- so.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

And ask about that, if there's any plan to transfer any of the positions from headquarters to the regions?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

So we've already passed all of our activities. We're just on the -- we're just on the information pages. So which --

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

About the position so I just wanted to ask. I know I'm -- I'm at page 257, but -- so that's what I'm referencing, yeah.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

So we've already gone there. So I'll just -- we'll just take that --

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

I'll talk to Diane after.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

We'll leave it at that. Thank you, Member for Monfwi. All right, so seeing that we have no more questions for the information items. Thank you, Members.

Please return now to the departmental summary found on page 235, revenue summary, information items on page 236. Are there any questions? Member for Frame Lake.

Committee Motion 193-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Infrastructure - Deferral of Department, Carried
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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I move that committee defer further consideration of the estimates for the Department of Infrastructure at this time. Thank you, Madam Chair.