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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. I believe there's a -- it's about an $800,000 increase, and that is reflective of the increased costs of housing. Yeah, $809,000. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks. So that money is paid then by the Department of Justice to the Housing Corporation; is that how it works? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. So that is the -- the Department of Justice's 70 percent contribution to the housing budget and technically I'm not sure if it goes to Housing or if it goes to the RCMP then to housing. But I can ask Mr. Bancroft for some explanation. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Bancroft.

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Bancroft

Thank you, Madam Chair. The $809,000 was representative of the 70 percent under the TPSA agreement of the Department of Justice's share of that cost. It is paid through the TPSA to the RCMP through Public Safety Canada. And then the revenues would be recognized by the Housing Corporation's side. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Okay, thanks, Madam Chair. Well, that's a creative way to transfer money from Justice to Housing. I appreciate that. Yeah, I think that's all I've got. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. All right. Are there any further questions to policing services from Members?

Seeing no further questions, please turn to page 296. Justice, policing service, operations expenditure summary, 2022-2023 Main Estimates, $50,012,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. We will now turn to page 298, services to government, with information items on page 299 and 300. Any questions on services to government? Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. This is where the Access to Information and Protection Privacy Act applies and the access and privacy office. My understanding was that the plan was to centralize all of our ATIPP officers in this unit. But I just don't see a corresponding budget increase or staff increase. Can I just clarify whether that -- this is where that would be and whether that is occurring? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. So the centralized ATIPP office consists of five full-time employees. The GNWT access and privacy officer, that's a manager level position. There are two senior information and privacy specialists and two information and privacy specialists, and they're a coordinating role and the departments themselves also still have a role in ATIPP as well. It's not all done by this unit. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Okay, thank you, Madam Chair. I guess I was under the understanding that the people who are doing the roles in the departments were going to move to the Department of Justice and essentially be all done in one place but I -- perhaps I was mistaken in that.

One of the areas I would like the department to look into is I know there is some work being done on the chief information officers about our transparency initiatives and about proactive disclosure. And I've heard, you know, a number of journalists and ATIPP officers say that if you looked at all the data and you tracked it that there's some clear areas that get ATIPPed over and over again, and we can probably reduce the workload by identifying trends of what gets repeatedly ATIPPed and just simply proactively disclosuring it. And that may require some, you know, prior redaction in cases, but some of it I think is just information we could probably find a way to publish and cease getting those ATIPPs altogether thus freeing up resources for everyone involved in the multistep process. Is that work being done by that office, or is that something the Minister could work with the chief information officer on reviewing? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you. That work is being done, and it's being done across government. There are working groups that are tackling this. There are employees in the departments who are working on figuring out how to make information more transparent, so not just open information but open data so there's more raw data available that can be manipulated, and I believe the Member's familiar with how the Government of Canada displays that data. And for myself, I find that very useful. So that type of work is happening. Perhaps the deputy minister can add some more specifics. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy minister Doolittle.

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Doolittle

Mahsi, Madam Chair. And this work falls under the open government policy, and there's a senior level working group on that group. The Department of Justice, our director of policy, where our ATIPP shop sits, is on that committee. So -- and there -- they do focus -- they have subworking groups, and one of them is a working group that addresses the information the Member spoke about, the open data, and they're currently looking at that and working on that, so. Mahsi, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. I'm very glad to hear that. I -- you know, there's been a clear kind of upward trend in ATIPPs and complaints to the information and privacy commissioner and we in the Legislative Assembly have been adding resources, but I think there's a way to kind of curb that trend and save us all some time and money.

With the ATIPP Act eventually coming into force with bringing municipalities under it, can the Minister just speak to any training initiatives or work being done to make sure that the municipalities are ready for the burden that comes with ATIPP? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Justice.