Thank you. Member for Kam Lake.
Debates of March 8th, 2022
This is page numbers 3837 - 3896 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was indigenous.
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I'm hoping that it's just a couple really short questions here.
I'm on page 316 under the Northwest Territories surface rights board, and we have an annual contribution of $303,000 that has flowed through from the federal government to pay for this. I notice that in 2020-2021, the actuals were $313,000, and I'm confused as to how a surface rights board that has not yet had to resolve a dispute has overspent funds. Thank you.
Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Macdonald
Thank you, Madam Chair. The surface right board, we've received funding from the federal government annually. And each year, there's a small annual increase. So the funding that was actually received to flow through the surface rights board in 2021 was $313,000. And why you haven't seen a budget increase is normally we don't submit increases for budget requests unless is exceeds $50,000. And because we haven't reached that threshold, the budget has -- isn't matching what the actual funding is that we receive to flow through to the surface rights board. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Thank you. So just so that I understand, because it is not more than $50,000, there's no increase in the budget, but the exact amount that is located in the budget is exactly what the government is receiving from the federal government so there's no increase in costs to the GNWT, is that correct? Thank you.
Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
Yeah, thank you very much. And then so just to make sure that so hopefully I'll remember this for next year too, so the main estimates for this year are 303 but then when I see in the back the -- on page 325 when you actually get to the information items on surface right boards -- or surface rights board -- my goodness. It's listed as expected revenue through the Government of Canada as 318 but because that does not meet that $50,000 threshold, just to confirm, that's why it says 303 for this year? Thank you.
Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake
I'm happy, I just wanted to understand why the numbers were different in the two pages. So thank you, Madam Chair.
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The Chair Lesa Semmler
All right. Are there further questions under -- where are we? Sorry, Corporate management. Member for Great Slave.
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Katrina Nokleby Great Slave
Thank you, Madam Chair. And I kind of a question about the surface rights board and what they really do with that $300,000 a year anyway if they're not resolving disputes. I note in the information item, which I could, you know, look at later when we get there but, you know, that some of that is -- or a huge amount of that is for travel and other costs. So if we're spending $100,000 for a board to travel around that's not doing any of the resolution stuff, what are they doing? Thank you, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Macdonald
Thank you, Madam Chair. So the board, even when there are no applications, they do meet four times a year, and two of those meetings are three days and two of those meetings are four days. A lot of what they do during those meetings is training. For example, they do dispute resolution training; training on the legal requirements of consultation; application of traditional knowledge in NWT's surface right board decision-making processes; as well as they do have a part time staff Member who has an office located in Yellowknife. So there is annual ongoing costs. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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Katrina Nokleby Great Slave
Thank you, Madam Chair. So is it -- it's safe to say that this is a cost in maintaining that in the event that we actually would need that? And I do see people nodding their heads so I'll continue on.
And I guess my next question, then, is if they were -- we were to decide that -- or they were to decide, because it sounds like they're a little bit third party, that they didn't need to travel and maybe went to a virtual style training, that that money would not need to be used but then I'm guessing is that we couldn't do anything with it anyway because it is flow through money. So if the Minister or department could speak to that, that would be great.
Committee Motion 198-19(2): Tabled Document 561-19(2): Main Estimates 2022-2023 - Legislative Assembly- Deferral of Department, Carried
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