Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you to the Member for the question as well too. I really appreciate these comments coming forward as well. And I just wanted to mention that since the renewal, we were able to conduct workshops with the local housing authorities, the district offices, and the maintenance as well too, and identifying areas of improvement and training. I'll have Ms. Eleanor Young just elaborate on the response as well. Thank you.

Thank you. President Young.

Thank you. Member for Kam Lake. Are there any further questions on community housing services? Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi, Madam Chair. I'm wondering about your O and M costs. You were talking about it a bit there. There could be a lot in there; I'm not sure what's all entailed in there. I'm just wondering if the O and M costs, if the majority are having to pay utilities versus others. If you could answer that. Mahsi.

Thank you. Minister Chinna.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have President Young respond. Thank you.

Thank you. President Young.

Thank you. Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi for that. So I guess CMHC, when they put a deadline of the year 2038 to cut O and M funding, I guess they're looking at a business model in the sense that we're not generating any revenue to cover the costs for ourselves. So I see where CMHC is coming from there. But at the same time, we don't see Housing NWT as a business model but a social program. I'm wondering if you could just maybe elaborate on that. Mahsi.

Thank you, Member. Minister Chinna.

Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you to the Member for the question. I want to just respond to the operation and maintenance cost, that we do have several service agreements within Housing NWT as well and we do have to become very strategic when we're looking at generating income for the operation and maintenance and for the programming within housing. For an example, I just want to point out the almost completion of the RCMP units where we will be generating a little over a million annually that will go right back into public housing. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi for that. Yes, you're not generating enough anyways in business and I always mention that we treat housing, in our communities anyways, as a social program because of the fiduciary responsibility of the federal government to First Nations to provide housing. And that's the premise that we go on. I realize that too as a private homeowner, I pay for my own fuel and now the cost has jumped from, you know, 1.90s previously, now it's over $2. I don't know, $2 and something per litre, so that's becoming significant. And it's going to, you know, only increase to your heating fuels. So I'm wondering if there's -- like, I can't believe myself too, when I see the federal government programs with your copayment ones and the rapid housing initiatives, Number 1, where they're just pumping them out really quickly, but at the same time they're not thinking about the greenhouse gas emissions through the use of fuels. That's really surprising that they'll throw out their programs yet not follow their own directives, you know, related to climate change as we should be ourselves. So, you know, I don't know why they don't incorporate, whether it's solar power or a wood pellet boiler system or different source of alternate energy into their designs and into their systems that they pump out. Even the housing corporation right now is pumping out units into the communities. I think I have -- I know I got a four-plex or singles units coming up. There's nothing in that regard there. We're looking at two more duplexes coming into our community. I don't see anything there. It doesn't seem like the corporation wants to help the whole government probably save on utility costs. And I'm wondering if there's any outlook in the near future to, you know, incorporating these designs and these initiatives into your new designs. Mahsi.

Thank you. Minister Chinna.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Prior to these units being delivered, there was significant changes being made and the design that was put forward are energy efficient designs as well. And we are looking at how can we further look at the cost savings right through building our units. And one of the other things that we have done as well too is with our unit delivery, we have taken part in a consultation throughout the Northwest Territories as well too, when building these units, when communities are going to be receiving a new unit be constructed, there is those conversations that do happen. They are a part of our design conversation as well too. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi, Madam Chair. Yeah, I know that the Minister talks a lot like that, saying that yeah, they're incorporated, they're in this design, they're in that design. When they come to our communities, the units, we don't see that. And I say the price of diesel has gone over $2. I don't think it's ever -- may never come down the way things are going. Even my landlord, they just raised the rent for my place and I'm asking why are you -- you know, increasing the rent? And they state well, cost of living. That's the landlord. What about that little person that has to pay that rent? They have to deal with the cost of living too. And I've been trying to get housing corporation to really start an aggressive campaign and start looking at alternate energy sources because either way, you know, you take out 240-volt electric hot water heater and put 110-volt oil fire electric heater, you don't win either way because now you've gone to diesel. You're burning more diesel than anything. And housing corporation should start from all their offices in all the communities and start incorporating wood pellet boilers and start from there. And like I've always said, put a cluster into one. What is preventing housing corporation from doing such an initiative? Mahsi.

Thank you. Minister Chinna.

Thank you, Madam Chair. And I just wanted -- you know, right now the energy strategy is out for consultation. We do have it all over Facebook. We did put this in the newspaper as well too. So we do have the public to engage. And I think the consultation is for two weeks I want to say? I think we're supposed to be receiving that, I want to say back on the -- I think it closes on the 28th of February. And in looking at the energy strategy as well too, we are looking at the fuel tank replacements for all public housing units as well too and making sure that they're upgraded in their fuel efficiency and whatever. And also the biomass projects. I think we have -- I don't have the communities in front of me right now but there was about eight communities that were listed that received those energy savings initiatives. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Member for Deh Cho.

Mahsi, Madam Chair. Mahsi to the Minister for that. I don't think it's really getting to the crux of what I'm getting at, is to incorporate the systems into communities. Let's save our housing corporation from destroying the old public housing picture in the Northwest Territories by 2038. Let's try to help to extend that. Let's incorporate solar panels or electric hot water -- for hot water heating, whatever source we can get, and also incorporate wood pellet boiler systems which, so far, makes sense. They do. I'm telling you. I've done a unit and I've said it so many times. We've done one. When I worked as a project officer, we incorporated into our school in Fort Providence. It went from a 3000 a litre burning unit -- fuel burning unit to less than 500 litres per month after the installation of a wood pellet boiler system. And it's running full bore all the time. When you get 40 below, 35, 40 below --

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Are there questions? Member for Monfwi.