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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Yeah, I think that's a big mistake, quite frankly, and I've said that before in this House, and I hope that future governments will listen to this as well. This government cannot have it both ways. You cannot trigger an EA for the Slave Geological Province or Lockhart all-season road while it's in a regional study. What's the point of doing a regional study? Tlicho government, others have asked for the regional study so that we don't make irrevocable mistakes so why trigger an EA while the regional study's going on? That would be just ridiculous and, quite frankly, contrary to good project management, good environmental management, sound public policy. And I've said this before in the House, if this government ends up triggering an EA while the regional study is on, that's really bad. I can't emphasize that enough. Why do the regional study? So, yeah, I just don't agree with this, quite frankly, and especially at a time where the caribou herds -- the Bathurst caribou herd has not recovered. There's no evidence whatsoever of recovery in the last four years I've been here; it's gotten worse. So I don't know why we would continue to push this when the caribou herd is in crisis while a regional study is going on. This is just bad public policy, bad spending. Benefits don't stay here. I just don't understand why we do this, Madam Chair. This is wrong.

Now, I do want to say a couple of other things, and I think I've also heard it said in this House, if there's one project on this list this government should pursue it's the Mackenzie Valley Highway. It actually connects communities. It's for the benefit of communities. This other stuff, a lot of this is not for the benefit of communities, some of this stuff. So if you're going to do the Mackenzie Valley Highway, the problem is this has been a project that is in environmental assessment now for ten years because we submitted it way too early before we even had money. So you're gobbling -- we've been gobbling up regulatory time. The Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review board, they almost cancelled the environmental assessment at one point because our government wouldn't submit necessary information. Why trigger an EA on something when you're not ready to do it? And that's what you're going to do with the Slave Geological Province application as well. You're going to trigger an EA before it's even ready and you're going to gobble up, waste taxpayers' money on it. It's going to turn into a boondoggle. And I think the same thing will happen with Taltson. I have no doubt if the current attitudes continue to prevail here.

So my advice is you concentrate on one project. That's what I've heard informally from the federal contacts that I have. Those guys, they just can't figure out what they want to do. They keep coming after us for all kinds of crazy things. If they had one project and they brought it to us with a real plan, we could probably work with that. This other stuff, crazy. Why do it? So that's my advice to the next Assembly, concentrate on one big infrastructure project and make it the Mackenzie Valley Highway and finish it. And do it in small enough chunks that communities will actually benefit from it. Don't try to do it all at the same time and gobble up ten years of an EA before a board and waste taxpayers' money. Get the money in place and do it right.

Thanks, Madam Chair. I think that's probably all I have to say. It sounds like a lecture and quite frankly it is because I'm fed up after eight years of sitting here wasting taxpayers' money on these boondoggle projects. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Are there any further comments or questions under energy and strategic initiatives? Seeing none.

Department of Infrastructure, energy and strategic initiatives, infrastructure investments, $45,150,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Next turn to page 61 for programs and services with information items on page 62 and 63.

Department of Infrastructure, programs and services, infrastructure investments, $72,334,000. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just, sorry, trying to franticly scroll through my notes here. But I just wanted to talk a little bit about the Inuvik airport, the Mike Zubko air terminal building, the runway extension project, and the adaptation for climate change. It's my understanding that these projects have come in under -- sorry, I'm just looking, the trade corridor -- no, these are the DND. Can the Minister confirm that these are all being 100 percent funded by the federal government? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Let's go to ADM Brennan, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Mr. Brennan

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Gary Brennan

Thank you, Madam Chair. So the DND runway extension is 100 percent federally funded. There is also a Disaster Mitigation Adaptation Fund project underway at the runway that's 75 percent funded. And the airport terminal building is currently 75 percent funded. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. I recall a couple years back talking about this project, and there was a bit of back and forth around getting the project going. Can the Minister or the department please give me just a bit of an update on where things are at? Considering it's been very quiet from the people that I was hearing from before, I'm assuming things have been moving along well but if I could just get an idea of when -- are things progressing on time and on budget? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Again, ADM Brennan has probably the latest numbers on that, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. ADM Brennan.

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Gary Brennan

Thank you, Madam Chair. So for the runway project, things are progressing on time and on the adjusted budget. We recently signed the contract for, I think, about $82 million to continue the airports and all that work would take us up to completion of the runway except for electrical and paving. I think that will take us about another year and a half, I do believe.

In terms of the airport terminal building, so that project is currently under negotiations, so. The proponent did submit a bid. We're working through that bid right now, and that work continues. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thanks, Madam Chair. Can the Minister or department tell me how much of this money is staying with northern businesses? It is my understanding that the engineers on this project are not BIP'd or northern businesses. Can the Minister or department speak to that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. So I know we're just looking for -- I mean, there's the three different projects here. The lead, of course, was a joint venture between the two landowners of the region, that being IRC and GTC. So they would be the lead in terms of ensuring that their own beneficiaries would be benefitting in a maximum capacity. And I would have no sort of direct say in terms of saying to them who is or is not a beneficiary. Let me double check with ADM Brennan, though, if there's anyone else involved. Again, there may well be some -- particularly the technical supports, that would not -- we would not have the capacity for that here in the Northwest Territories, and so I just send it to him so see if I've missed any major players. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. ADM Brennan.

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Gary Brennan

Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. So I think the only thing I would add to what the Minister said was that our most recent report was that it was 80 percent local and NWT labour on that project. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to note, that is just the labour portion, not materials and supplies. And I see that the ADM is nodding his head, so it is not 80 percent of the total cost of the project for anybody listening.

I do want to come back to this comment -- the comment the Minister said that she has no direct say in the subcontractors used by the joint venture between the IRC and the GTC. This has come up before in other projects where, I believe, under NTPC where the GNWT sort of washes its hands of its fiscal responsibility under the Free Trade Acts, as well as under our own policies, to ensure that northern business is used and to ensure that it's going the right way.

Can the Minister speak to what controls or measures are in place to ensure that what is happening within those groups is actually benefitting the people that it's meant to? Because I'm sure you're aware, and I've heard it too, there are a lot of beneficiaries in the Beaufort Delta that are not getting a piece of any of this pie and that others are being brought in from outside and being deemed as northern and beneficiaries. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Well, Madam Chair, I am quite happy to talk about vendor performance management. So one of the many things that has proceeded under and in response to the procurement review was a move for vendor performance management. I certainly don't want to suggest that the Government of the Northwest Territories doesn't play a role in managing its own contracts; however, up and to the time of the procurement review, there wasn't anything in the contracts to say that they would be monitored and then there was no mechanism by which to enforce, say, BIP policies that businesses were using to bid on contracts.

So with the introduction of BIP vendor performance management, initially a couple of years ago, which introduced the monitoring component and started to change our contracts so that contractors would know that they were being monitored. The last piece of the puzzle, if you will, was an app to create and establish enforcement mechanisms which would be up to and including the ability to hold back the holdback amounts if, in fact, companies were not meeting the obligations that they had purported to be meeting when they initially made their contracted bids. So I do certainly agree with that concern. Our BIP program and procurement in general will only be as strong as our ability to monitor it and enforce it. Those tools are now in place. It has taken some time. So I acknowledge that. But those tools are there now. Thank you.