Transcript of meeting #1 for Territorial Leadership Committee in the 13th Assembly.

The winning word was chairman.

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. To this motion that the Premier should choose his or her Deputy Premier, I will be supporting this motion because of the last Legislative Assembly where the Premier did not have a Deputy Premier and whenever the Premier travelled, sometimes there was nobody on Cabinet who was given the task to function in the Premier's position. Sometimes there were different Ministers filling that role, and I think that this is more of an internal Cabinet matter, and this motion is saying that it's up to the Premier to choose the Deputy Premier. I'm sure that once the people who are going to be Premier and on the Cabinet are selected, there will be an internal discussion on this matter as well. Further, the Premier should be considering the East/West balance. I think it's appropriate to do that basically because if the Premier is from the East, then the deputy should be from the other part of the Territories. This is to ensure that there is a split in the Cabinet to make sure that there's balance. I agree with that concept.

Further, I don't think this Deputy Premier position would be an additional cost because the Cabinet Members will be having their financial resources allocated. This added duty of a Deputy Premier should not be an additional cost; therefore, I will be supporting this motion. Thank you.

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just to mention to the Members that I've written down all the names according to when their hands go up, so if I haven't gotten to you right away it's not because I'm ignoring you but it's according to the order I have. Mr. Ootes is next and then Mr. Henry.

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, will be supporting the motion. I believe that the position of Deputy Premier will assist the Premier in travel duties, share some of the other duties, perhaps, and then we also have an alternate in the House when the Premier needs to be away.

I also want to comment on the cost factor. I feel that it should be done within existing costs and that there should be no increased cost in establishing this position. Thank you.

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Henry.

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman, I will speak against the motion as it's presented. I could support the initial part of the motion. I believe that the words "strongly consider the issue of East/West balance" is a way that this House can, for all intents and purposes, tie the hands of the person that we will, over the next period of time, elect to be the leader of the Government of the Northwest Territories. When we do elect an individual, from my perspective, I will be supporting the individual who I believe has good judgement and the integrity to know if there is a requirement for a Deputy Premier position.

Secondly, I would be opposed to tying the hands of that individual from being able to make that decision. I feel that the words "strongly consider" does not give enough consideration and does not leave enough consideration for the person we elect as Premier. Thank you.

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Evaloarjuk and then Mr. Todd.

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To the motion that is on the floor now. I am supportive of this motion as long as...We've just finished talking about not having nine Cabinet Ministers. If there is going to be a lot of money involved, then I may not support this. Is there any funding available for a Deputy Premier? Is this to the motion? Is there funding?

Motion To Select Deputy Premier
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Okay. With regard to the guidelines right now, the mover cannot amend his own motion. Mr. Steen.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

In that case, Mr. Chairman, I would then put forward an amendment to the wording which would more specifically outline where the choice can be made as to the Deputy Premier. In other words, the Premier should choose his or her Deputy Premier from elected Cabinet Members.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Just for a suggestion, if you look at your motion right up to Deputy Premier, we add "from those Members appointed to the Executive Council." Would that be your amendment?

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

I'll ask the Clerk of the Assembly to respond to that.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, yes, that would be my amendment.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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David Hamilton

Mr. Chairman, the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act prescribes the salary for the Government Leader or Premier and the Ministers. There is no salary identified in legislation for the position of Deputy Premier, so there is nothing in legislation at this time that would allow that to happen.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Like my other colleagues, I support the motion. In the last Assembly, if I can just share with you, Mr. Antoine and I co-chaired the Special Joint Committee on Division. I think it was a difficult task, but due to the fact that we had a balance in terms of sentiment from East and West, it seemed to function reasonably well.

I support the motion and whoever he or she may be, I would hope that at the end of the day they would see the requirement for one, putting the right person in the job, as Mr. Henry said; and, two, that hopefully the balance would be there when that appointment is made. Thank you.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Steen and then Mr. Miltenberger. To the motion.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do have some concerns with the wording of the motion, Mr. Chairman, although I support the intent of the motion. I am under the impression that this could be interpreted to read that the Premier could pick a Deputy Premier from basically anyone. I would suggest that the wording be amended to state the Deputy Premier must come from elected Cabinet. This thing seems to suggest it could be anyone, a regular MLA even or the creation of a new position. I think it should be more specific in addressing where the choice could come from. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just for clarification, Mr. Steen, at this point it's only a suggestion. Are you going to move an amendment?

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm not sure...l would support an amendment, but I would like to suggest here that the mover may wish to amend it himself.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Do we need a copy of that or is it clear?

---Interjection

You understand it all. So it's right after, "I move that the Territorial Leadership Committee agrees that the Premier should choose his or her Deputy Premier from those Members appointed to the Executive Council." To the amendment.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The amendment is carried.

---Carried

To the motion as amended. Mr. Miltenberger.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to briefly speak in favour of the motion as amended. I think there is a role for a Deputy Premier and this will be an evolving one as we move down the road very quickly to division. I think it would be a wise investment and would help deal with a lot of issues as well as spread the workload, but most importantly as we move towards division it's a logical kind of position. I agree that it should be split between East and West in order to straddle all the issues that we have to deal with. Thank you.

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion as amended. Mr. Arlooktoo, do you wish to say anything further?

Motion To Amend Motion To Select Deputy Premier, Carried
Position Of Deputy Premier

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

When I moved the motion, the intent was that the deputy would be selected from the Cabinet that was already in there.

Just a comment on increased costs; that would be up to the Premier, I suppose. The way I see it, there may be some additional costs. Not nearly as much as a new Cabinet Minister, but if the Deputy Premier did come from either East or West and if the Premier was going to spread the workload more evenly, it could be that the Deputy Premier would be doing a bit more travelling from time to time. For example, if the Deputy Premier did come from the East, I would expect that the Deputy Premier would occasionally go to the Nunavut area on behalf of the Premier from time to time. So I wouldn't close the door on that one. The way I see it is that the Deputy Premier would be perhaps a senior Cabinet Minister from whichever area, East or West , that he or she came from.