Transcript of meeting #2 for Territorial Leadership Committee in the 13th Assembly.

The winning word was cabinet.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wish to nominate Vince Steen, Member for Nunakput, for a position on Cabinet. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Steen, do you accept the nomination?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I accept and I thank my colleague from Natilikmiot.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Nominations. Are there any further nominations? Is it clear that nominations are closed? There will be two ballots; one for the East and one for the West. Starting with the East, there will be Mr. Arlooktoo, Mr. Ng, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Picco, Mr. Steen, Mrs. Thompson and then Mr. Todd. From the West there will be Mr. Antoine, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko and Mr. Miltenberger. That is the order in which they will be called upon to do their 10-minute presentation.

According to the rules, it will go in alphabetical order. So the first one will be Mr. Antoine. Mr. Antoine, you have 10 minutes to make your presentation.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Madam Commissioner, elders, Mr. Premier, congratulations on your election yesterday, ladies and gentlemen of the 13th Assembly, ladies and gentlemen. I would like to thank the honourable Member for Nunakput for nominating me for this Cabinet position. I am very honoured that the people of Nahendeh have sent me to the Legislative Assembly again; this time by acclamation. Mahsi for your confidence and support. I will, once again, try the best I can to represent you in this House.

Mr. Chairman, I became a Member of this Assembly four years ago. At that time, I sought election as a Member for Cabinet. Fortunately, I was not selected at that time. I say "fortunately'' because looking back, I know that I gained valuable experience throughout the last Legislative Assembly by sitting as an ordinary Member of the Legislative Assembly. I learned a lot about how this system of government works. I gained valuable experience as a Member of several committees and as the chairman of the powerful Standing Committee on Finance in the last Assembly. I needed this experience in the Legislative Assembly and government in order to work effectively as a Member. I now know that this experience will be an asset if I am given the opportunity to serve this House as a Member of Cabinet.

Last time I stood as a Cabinet candidate, I went into my background: my university education and experience at the community level as chief of the Fort Simpson Dene for 14 years, as well as my involvement in the Dene Nation organization since 1973. Therefore, I know the issues and concerns at the grassroots level in the Northwest Territories. This knowledge is what I have to offer to this Cabinet.

This time I am going to focus more on the issues. I represent a riding where there has been the powerful and fundamental concerns raised about the legitimacy of this government. Most of you are familiar with the Deh Cho proposal. Many of my constituents feel the same way that the Inuit do in their pursuit for division. They do not feel that a centrally-based government in Yellowknife can reflect their needs and aspirations. They are committed tobringing government closer to home. They believe that to do so effectively, their inherent right to self-government must be recognized and protected. I believe that it is possible to construct the constitution for the western NWT that does reflect this distinct right of aboriginal people, as well as building on the distinct forms of government found in the aboriginal cultures. The greatest challenge of the new government and all MLAs is to build this constitution. We can no longer fail to come to an agreement on a western constitution. Should we fail, we are raising not only the possibility of further divisions within the West, but a less smooth division in the East.

I offer you my skills and commitment to making the positive contribution to this challenge. I offer you my ability to work as a key Member to bring about the critical consensus that is essential to good government. Our time may be limited. The federal government has launched its aboriginal self-government policy, but there are only two years left in Mr. Chretien's Liberal Party's current mandate as the Government of Canada. The red book, which sets the policies for this government, lists the inherent right to self-government as one of the key policies and we are running out of time on that.

The Royal Commission on Aboriginal People is moving ahead with consideration of new concepts and now is the right time totake advantage of the enthusiasm and commitments that will be generated when the final report is released.

We also need to set the stage with the significant changes that will be coming when Nunavut is formed in 1999. I fully support the division of the Northwest Territories, but I am concerned that the Government of the Northwest Territories is not well prepared for the transition that is going to take place. As the former co-chair of the Special Joint Committee on Division and chairman of the Standing Committee on Finance, 1know that

In education, we need new approaches. The infrastructure is in place, the schools are there, the teacher education program is initiated and working and the new Education Act has been passed. Now it is time to concentrate on quality of education. We can achieve this by giving communities, not only bureaucrats who work in this department, but the people in the communities, greater control of how schools are run and about what happens in the classrooms.

We have to continue to work towards changing the level of violence in our society as well in our schools, in our homes and in the workplace. We have to boost our local economies through northern preference programs, buy-North initiatives and acompletely revised and more effective business incentive policy; one that doesn't conflict with the terms of the land claims agreement in the West, as well as the Nunavut agreement.

Mr. Chairman, there was an economic conference in Fort Simpson for the Deh Cho region right after the election. We looked at ways to improve the economy of the Deh Cho. The number one priority identified was for healing of our communities. Way up as priority number two was the need for people to be better educated. Without capable, healthy, educated people, the best business incentive programs in the world will have little or no impact.

Mr. Chairman, we have to think about change within this Assembly as well. Our constituents must have been shocked and probably dismayed when they saw the goings-on in the Chamber the last time. Our relationship with each other has to be based on respect. I have always tried to be fair, honest and open with all the people I deal with. That wouldn't change if I'm elected to the Cabinet.

I believe that I can offer a lot of strength by working with all this government is not making enough progress. We have to honourable Members,, .1aking sure that the necessary changes pick up the pace in our discussions about dividing government assets and resources. We have to pick up the pace in our dealings with Ottawa to make sure that the financial arrangements are sound. We have to pick up the pace with the western constitutional process and the aboriginal bilateral talks.

To arrive at a new constitution, we need to work closely with organizations that represent aboriginal people. Too often, the position of the past government pushed these groups away. Too often, it resorted to insults and finger pointing. That has to change.

As the chairman of the Standing Committee on Finance, I pushed hard to make sure that the Deficit Elimination Act had real teeth and offered real solutions. Without a doubt, the GNWT is going to have to change the way it spends our money. Our bureaucrats are going to have to downsize, consolidate and reduce duplication. It is time to fight the focus on cost-efficiency.

With our small population base, I can't agree with any of the taxation proposals I heard before and during the election. I voted against the payroll tax when it was brought forward in the last Assembly and I still think it isn't a very good idea.

are made and that they are made in a way that benefits all the people of the Northwest Territories. I am pleased to ask you to consider me as a Member of the Cabinet for this 13th Legislative Assembly. Mahsi, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Also, in alphabetical order again, but before we go to Mr. Arlooktoo, I would like to recognize in the gallery a former Member, Mr. Richard Nerysoo.

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Mr. Arlooktoo, 10 minutes.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, I'll speak first in my first language.

(translation) Mr. Chairman, I extend heartfelt congratulations to Mr. Morin on his election as Premier, and commit my full support to him whether I should be selected to join Cabinet or stay as an ordinary MLA. I would also want to congratulate Jane for her admirable performance yesterday during the question period. Also, I would like to thank Jim Antoine for nominating me for the important position of being a Minister in the government. Also, I would like to begin by thanking the people of Baffin South who have put me here in this Assembly.

I was very happy when I realized on election night that I had won the confidence of the people. I will work very hard to show respect for the trust they have placed in me. The election campaign was a very emotional experience for me because my dear mother was very ill at the time. Although she passed away shortly after the election, I knew that she was very proud of me and it gives me great strength. I also want to thank my father who was a Member of this Legislative Assembly, and he had helped me out a lot, and also my wife Dorothy, and also her family for the support they have always given me. (translation ends)

Mr. Chairman, however, I've learned a great deal training in Arctic College in the area of renewable resources and then working in many communities in both the East and the West. I've also worked as a staff person, as many of you know, here with MLAs, committees and the Nunavut Caucus. Whether it was researching issues of the day for Nunavut MLAs or helping them to formulate statements and questions, working for over five years in this Legislature was a very positive experience which I thoroughly enjoyed and learned from. Travelling throughout the Territories with special committees of this House taught me a great deal of the concerns that people in the communities have.

I have attended community consultations with the Special Committee on Northern Economy, with the Special Committee on Languages and also the Special Committee on Health and Social Services. I recently worked as an alcohol and drug counsellor in my home community of Lake Harbour.

In my election campaign, I promised my constituents that I would serve them as a sober, responsible leader. I want to be a good role model for our youth in everything I do in this Assembly.

My constituents are excited about the establishment of Nunavut. They are looking forward to a government closer to home; a government which will give them more say in how they are governed. During this Assembly, many important decisions will be made as we move towards implementing Nunavut and the new western territory in 1999. This is a time when the people of the North most need leaders who are responsible and fair. As we face the difficult decisions moving toward the division of the Territories, our people also want us to be able to compromise rather than fight. I think this is an ongoing theme and I'm happy about that.

Even as we plan for new governments in the North, we must tackle the grievous social problems which are crippling our families and our communities: suicide, family violence, sexual and alcohol abuse, drug abuse and many others. We must have healthy communities if we are to be prepared for the new challenges of self-government in Nunavut. I am committed to dealing with these social issues as a priority in our new government. I believe that we can confront these issues through the community wellness approach, healing workshops, alcohol and drug treatment, improved education, self- awareness and self-esteem.

Our people are also crippled with a very high cost of living and serious shortage of affordable housing. Our young people are expecting to find new job opportunities after they have finished school. These are pressing issues I believe that our government must focus on as priorities. I am well aware of the financial pressures which our new government will face; greater pressures than ever before. I know that we will have to spend less than before. However, I believe it will be a challenge but we'll be able to find ways to do more with less. Whatever we do, we must act so as not to hurt the little people: the ordinary folks who are struggling to live and survive in our communities.

If I should be given the honour of being elected by my fellow MLAs for Cabinet, I promise that I will be approachable, open and honest. I promise that as a Member of Cabinet I will be a team player, loyal to the leader and respectful of the decisions we make. I am willing to work hard to be an effective Minister.

Honestly, Mr. Chairman, if I'm not elected to Cabinet, you can still count on me to give my full support to the new Cabinet and to my fellow MLAs. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. Mr. Charles Dent is next.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, Premier-elect, honourable Members, first of all, Mr. Chairman, I would like to also extend my congratulations to Mr. Morin on his victory yesterday, and I pledge my support to him as the Premier of our Legislature. I would also like to express thanks to the honourable Member for Baffin South, Mr. Goo Arlooktoo, for his expression of confidence in me by putting my name forward for a position on Cabinet.

Mr. Chairman, it's not that long since we went through the election process and it feels like I'm standing here about to make a campaign speech but, as you know, in our system it's difficult for a Member to present a platform. So rather than that, what I would like to do today is tell you a bit about my thoughts on how I would approach issues so you get a better understanding for what I bring to the table should you choose to elect me to the Executive Council.

For our consensus system to work, we need a collective and cooperative approach, much more cooperative than what we've had in the past four years. This means that there has to be more consultation and involvement with ordinary Members than has ever taken place in the past. I will commit to being available, accessible, to listen and to use common sense when dealing with the issues that we must face. There will be times when we have 24 different ideas of where we should be going. I will promise to honestly state my point of view and then defend it vigorously, but like everyone in this room I have to be prepared to give and take to make the system work. I am willing to work hard to find the compromise that makes the most sense. I am committed to the idea that a Member of the Executive Council must be a team player. You fight for your position or point of view, but when a consensus is reached you must work to achieve the common goal.

A Member of the Executive Council must represent the broader constituency of people across the NWT. The people feel better when they can talk directly to a Cabinet Minister without having things filtered through the bureaucracy. And a Cabinet Minister needs to hear people's concerns first hand so, as we heard yesterday when we talked yesterday about the need for a ninth seat on Cabinet, a commitment to travel should be expected from all of us who have allowed our names to stand for the Executive Council.

Mr. Chairman, our approach to governing over the next four years needs to be balanced. As the last Standing Committee on Finance said many times, we need· to have a balanced approach to economic and social issues. We cannot have economic development without social development.

I believe that a key to keeping the balance is in making education a priority. Right now we spend more per capita on education than any other jurisdiction, yet our rates for graduation are dismal. Unless we can improve our results in our education system, northerners won't get new jobs which we may create. We must, as an Assembly, publicly state that the education of northerners is our first priority and commit to making sure that the system works better than it currently does.

We must also encourage growth in our economy. With the new formula financing agreement, we now have a real incentive to stimulate growth. Mr. Chairman, I would like to publicly note the effort that Mr. Pollard put into achieving the success he did with the new agreement; he has opened up some new doors for us. Our emphasis should be on the creation of more wealth and opportunity through business ownership and jobs for northerners. We should not expect government to create new jobs; the money is simply not there for government to even try to play that role. Economic development is not just moving a government job from one place to another, it is about the creation of new jobs. The private sector is the key to job creation and we should look for ways to remove frustrations and roadblocks to new business development and business expansion.

We need to look to mining, oil and gas and tourism for the creation of new jobs, and remember that for each new job in these areas, even more jobs are created in the businesses which supply and service them. By insisting that new developments use the latest technology to protect the environment, we can ensure northerners' environmental concerns are met.

But even better would be for northerners to control development. I believe there's a good opportunity to take another shot at achieving consensus for a northern accord, allowing northern residents to decide the terms and conditions for development as well as ensuring northerners benefit financially from economic development. We need to move quickly to reach a consensus and then speak with a unified voice for all northerners to push Ottawa hard for devolution.

I started my own business 16 years ago and I'm married to a woman who started and runs her own business. So as you might expect, I believe in good fiscal management. My business background means I am always aware of the bottom line, and I am personally opposed to running a deficit. Our

government's own sources of revenue are too small to start incurring large debt payments. I was a Member of the Standing Committee on Finance which recommended the Deficit Elimination Act be introduced to ensure we avoid deficits and the spiral of interest payments that accumulated debt would bring. I fought hard as well to add teeth to the initial act when it was introduced by the government.

We need to improve the efficiency of government. We've heard that from many places in this Chamber in the last two days. We have to reduce duplication and overlap. We have to look for more areas of consolidation. We do need to take a fresh look at the problem and have a willingness to consider new approaches.

I'm still sympathetic to the social needs of people across the Northwest Territories. As the chairman of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, I travelled to most of your constituencies and have talked to many of your constituents about how the system needs to be changed. I've seen many of the problems and heard directly from your constituents about their concerns. The community wellness initiative is an important part of the new approach that we need to take and must continue. Better cooperation between government and non-government agencies is crucial to the smartest use of available resources.

Most Members have mentioned the challenge we face in the next few years coming to grips with the issue of division of the Territories. There is no question that this issue will prove just how committed we are to fairness and compromise. Division, just like our fiscal situation, will be one of the issues underlying all of the decisions we must make in the next few years. With the Quebec issue probably having taken over much of the national agenda, we will have to work doubly hard to get the federal government to remember the promises they made about funding the incremental costs of creating Nunavut. The Premier, all Cabinet Members and in fact all Members must be prepared to work from a common agenda and spend considerable time lobbying the federal and provincial governments to keep that and other northern issues on the national agenda.

Over the past four years I have demonstrated to my constituents that I bring credibility through accountability, honesty and consistency to the position of MLA. I will continue that through this term as well. If selected for a Cabinet position I can promise I will be accountable to all other Members. I will earn your respect and support and I will keep the lines of communication open.

I hope Members will support me for the Executive Council. In spite of the challenges we face, I am optimistic about what we can achieve. I wouldn't have run for re-election if I hadn't been. In spite of the earlier talk about the stress and demands of the job as a Cabinet Minister, I am excited about proving I have the dedication, experience and skill to do the job and do it well. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Before we proceed to Mrs. Groenewegen, I would also like to recognize in the gallery the president of the Gwich'in Tribal Council, Mr. Willard Hagen; and, a member from the council, Chief James Firth. Welcome to the Assembly.

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Mrs. Groenewegen, you're next. Ten minutes.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, Premier-elect, honourable colleagues, I would like to thank the honourable Member for Kivallivik for nominating me this morning for a position on Cabinet. I'm going to keep my remarks this morning brief because after yesterday you probably know more about me than you ever wanted to know.

I would like to take this opportunity today to thank the constituents of Enterprise, the corridor and Hay River for electing me as MLA. I would also like to thank my husband, Rick, who is always a constant source of encouragement to me.

I feel I have a very challenging act to follow with the calibre of representation that the Hay River riding has had in the past; specifically, the late Don Stewart and Mr. John Pollard. I trust that I will be able to build on what my predecessors have accomplished on behalf of Hay River and the Northwest Territories.

It's been said over the past few days that we need to put forward our hardest working players for the positions to Cabinet, and I concur with that because I've observed the Cabinet over the past few years and it is not a job for the uncommitted or the faint of heart. I believe we need a balance on Cabinet that is reflective of our population. We need to obtain a mix on the basis of background, experience, ability, region, ethnicity and gender. We need team players who will support each other by pulling their share of the load.

My background is diversified. I've served on many boards and councils. I have an extensive record in the area of community service. I have a varied business background. My husband and I have established different business ventures inHay River, everything from the Hay River day-care centre to the Harbour House Bed and Breakfast Inn and, most recently, our business has been focused in the area of real estate.

I am also very proud of the two years our family spent from 1992 to 1994 in the Hay River group home caring for up to seven children. I must say that that experience changed my outlook forever.

So as you can see, my background and experience is very varied. I believe the people of Hay River elected me because I have a reputation as someone who gives whatever I do all I can bring to the task. So I would like to offer myself and my experience to the service of this government and to the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. I would also like to recognize in the gallery the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, Helen Maksagak.

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The next, in alphabetical order, Mr. Stephen Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

(Translation) Thank you. I would like to speak in my language, as I feel that some of my constituents may be watching this. I would like to thank all of my constituents for supporting me and giving me unanimous support in this election. I feel that I have done a good job for them in the past, so I have had support from them on election night. It was quite evident. I would like to thank my wife, as well as my children. For as long as we have been married, she has been there to support me through good times and hard times. She has always been a strength to me. A lot of things that I find difficult I discuss with her and she gives me sound advice. My children have always been supportive of me and ask me a lot of questions about my work. Why am I absent from home for so long? But they are still supportive of me and I would like to thank them for that. (Translation ends)

I want to congratulate all of you on your election. Since we have gathered here last week, I must tell you that I have been incredibly impressed with the performance of all of you; in the manner in which you have conducted yourself; the way that you have asked questions; and, the way that you have made your positions and views so clear. I think I especially have to acknowledge the incredible positive approach that all of you bring to your work. The energy is positive, the approach is fresh and I must tell you that it is very uplifting to be a part of this new Legislature.

My statement is going to be about the reason why I am involved in this work. When I was 24, I first started to realize that the people of the Northwest Territories, particularly the Inuit and the aboriginal people of the West, were developing a vision about what their future should be for themselves. The vision for Nunavut and the vision for Denendeh for better government and for a better future for the people of the western part of the Northwest Territories was what drew me into political life. Since I was 24, almost half of my life, I have spent pursuing these dreams. There has been no part of it that has been easy, but I must say that I am proud today to feel a part of the people who have pursued the realization of Nunavut. I am committing to continue working over the next three and a half years to make sure that Nunavut becomes a reality. I think it is going to be a tough job to make it happen in the way that we plan. It is going to be difficult to follow through with the commitments that we have made. I think we are very close to making those dreams a reality.

Here in the West, it is still my commitment and my vision to see the creation of a government in which all people, aboriginal and non-aboriginal people, feel comfortable and a part of; a government that all people will feel ownership of. Those are the things that have compelled me in my public life since 1974.

There is the vision that there should be two territories, and that will happen in three and a half years. I will work to keep that on schedule. I will support those people who are best at creating jobs and knowing how to make money. I will support those people in their work and make sure that we have two strong economic bases to develop our future from. I will continue working with all people to make sure that those of us and those of you who are best equipped to work at the community level to help people realize how we can make our communities stronger, how we can make our people healthier and how we create a more positive future for our children, then we support one another in the pursuit of that as well.

As a Minister, I have served for eight years. I have had a great variety of portfolios. I want to mention that in the last four years, I have made a commitment to support the new Ministers, people like Silas Amgna'naaq, Tony Whitford and James Arvaluk. I know that they needed support and I made a commitment and made a great effort to make sure they had the best chance possible to make the best of the opportunities that they were presented with.

In the last four years, following my election in which Nellie Cournoyea was elected as Premier, the same day I committed my support to her. It has been four years of my strong, unwavering support to the Premier. I am very proud of the fact that for four years I have been there for her. It has been my pleasure to serve in that role. I thank those of you who have encouraged me and asked me to consider running for Premier. However, I believe at this time the role that I feel most comfortable with, considering my family and the work that has to be done, in supporting the visions we have and we are so close to reaching, is to serve as a Minister, and to serve in support of a strong Cabinet and support the Premier, who is willing to work hard and work on behalf of all people of the Territories.

Again, I want to thank you for the support you have given me. I am committed to working hard, as I have the last eight years. I am committed to being effective in my work. It isn't much use putting in long, long hours if you aren't going to produce results. It is also important to be able to know how to pull off a job and how to do it well. I am committed to continue travelling. I have done it for the last eight years. I have an extensive record of my travel commitments. I am prepared to continue to do it for the next three and a half years. As all of you have started to realize, I am very straightforward and very honest. I have demonstrated that to you during the last week and a half, for those of you who didn't know me before.

Sometimes it is a bit harsh and sometimes it is a little unsettling, but you always know exactly where I come from and where I stand on the issues.

I want to thank you for the nomination, Mr. Barnabas, and I hope that the rest of you show some confidence in the work that I am prepared to do again for you. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. We have Mr. Krutko, followed by Mr. Miltenberger.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am honoured to be nominated to run for Cabinet. I am also pleased that my constituency, Mackenzie Delta, have given me the privilege to represent them in the House. I would like to thank my nominator, Tommy, from Baffin Central.

I would like to say that land claims has always been a priority for me with regard to my career. It has brought me to where I am today. I have been involved in the Gwich'in land claim negotiation process and then the Sahtuprocess.

There are a lot of issues out there that this House and all the people in the North, in general, have to take seriously. Without the cooperation with regard to the aboriginal, non-aboriginal, the government and the aboriginal organizations working together, I believe it may affect our ability to accomplish the final goal of division. We have to be able to work hand in hand and understand each other's issues, especially with regard to the groups that are presently under negotiations; Treaty 8 and Treaty 11 negotiations, and also the Deh Cho position. We have the Mackenzie Delta Gwich'in Tribal Council presently in negotiations with the federal government regarding self- government

The other issue that people have noted is with regard to the northern accord process. I was one of the negotiators representing the Gwich'in Tribal Council in those negotiations. We were close, but there were some fundamental issues that were unresolved. I believe in order for us to deal with the deficit situation we are in, we have to find a way to resolve our differences whether they are political or national. We have to allow the aboriginal groups to address the issue and bring it forward with regard to how we can somehow resolve that.

As a negotiator, I have been able to work with all parties; non- aboriginal, aboriginal, the different culture groups, the Gwich'in, Sahtu, Slavey and Dogrib. I feel it is critical in the time period we are in to continue with the process. We also have the question about the deficit. We have to make some strong decisions, but also look at it in the context of the economy.

We cannot continue to have the have and the have-not regions in the North. Every region should have an opportunity to have some sort of an economic base within the regions, regardless of whether it is oil, gas, minerals, renewable resources or

non-renewable resources. We have to look at all the region as a specific sector and not concentrate on the have and have- not region.

From my region, the Mackenzie Delta, we have seen the boom- bust scenario. We have had 20 years of good oil and gas development where there was a lot of activity. In the last 10 years, we have seen Aklavik, McPherson, Arctic Red River and lnuvik come to a point of seeing some major social problems with regard to unemployment, welfare and also the alcohol and drug problems that are associated with it. The justice systems have to change to meet the needs and helps individuals as individuals and not look at them as statistics. We have to help people deal with their alcohol problems, drug problems and the family problems that come along with that. ·

Presently, we have established 'the Tl'oodih Healing Camp, which is part and parcel of the Gwich'in land claim agreement. They have made a commitment to look at the question of healing and how that can better the lives of the people they represent. Without having healthy people within the communities, you aren't going to have healthy communities.

We have to deal with the problems once and for all and put the resources where they are needed.

I have been involved in the oil and gas field. I worked in the Beaufort for three and a half years and two and a half years in Norman Wells. I know what it is like for the scenario of having opportunities and then losing them. However, for those regions and communities, especially the larger centres that have a lot of opportunities with regard to government structure and the spin-offs that comes from that, we have to start working with regard to the smaller communities and give them the opportunities.

From the presentation last week with regard to where the resources are being spent and where the training dollars are being used, in my view a lot of those resources were used in the larger centres and from the statistics of what we see coming out, it is scary. We have to be fair to the smaller communities and give them the opportunities, so they aren't stuck in a situation where they are stuck without the opportunities that they should also have and not waste resources on welfare and social assistance. Give them the opportunities to better themselves.

There are some major happenings in the North, especially in the aboriginal communities with regard to the trapping issue. That was one of our biggest economies. Without that, they do not have the opportunity that they had in the past. They don't have the opportunities and jobs. The oil industry doesn't seem to be going anywhere. We have to look at all sectors, whether it is forestry, oil and gas, as well as minerals and spread the wealth around.

If I am elected, that is my goal. I will look at all communities, in light of the size of the communities and the geographical areas that they are in. We have many problems in the East and a lot of problems in the West. Whether it is Aklavik, Rankin Inlet or Baker Lake, we all have the same social problems. We have to deal with them. We also have to look at the costs of not doing anything about it. We have to do something with regard to that issue.

With that, I would like to thank my nominator. Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mr. Krutko. We're about half-way through the list now and I don't know what the wish of the Members are, whether they wish to take a short break or just continue.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Okay. There is general consensus that we continue, so I have next on my list Mr. Miltenberger and then Mr. Ng.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's a pleasure to be here among all my honourable colleagues. I would like to thank first my friend and honourable colleague from Sahtu for nominating me. Unlike my colleague from

Nahendeh, I didn't have the benefit, luxury or the good fortune to get in by acclamation. In fact, I consider myself a survivor of a fairly tough battle in what I've heard a lot of people describe as a political forum that is unique and a cut above all the others. In fact, I believe I had the singular honour even before the election started of being personally and professionally attacked in the House here, of being investigated, attempts made to demote me and have me fired. But gosh dam and golly gee, here I am today.

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I can tell you that I am delighted to be here and that I come with my hands extended in friendship. A message from the people of the constituency of Thebacha was that we have to work together, we have to get back to consensus, that fighting and adversarial relationships do nothing but harm usall.

Over the last 20 some years in my work life across the North, mainly in Fort Smith, with Health and Social Services as superintendent, as mayor, on councils, on a regional council, on the Northwest Territories Association of Municipalities, as you travel to the communities you've always heard the same thing: it's always been a push by the communities for more responsibility, more control over their daily lives and decision- making. And I think that has to be a theme and will be a theme of this government.

As I see it we have three main tasks before us: We have to put our financial house in order, but in a way that is compassionate and does not do it on the backs of the poor and the disadvantaged, but we have to put our house in order. We have to make hard decisions, but we can do it as a collective if we do it fairly, equitably and with compassion. We have to get ready for division. There is no doubt in my mind that it is going to proceed, and we would be very unwise to think otherwise. We have lots to do in that regard. The third item which I think is of equal importance to a lot of people in their daily lives is we have to get services, resources and decision- making down at the community level for programs that are run and services that are delivered in communities. We've shown as a government over the years that we are not very good at running services at the community level, that people in the communities, when they are involved, often do things a lot better than we can as a government.

To that end, I think the new committee structure that is being proposed for this Assembly is right on target and one that I fully endorse, which makes the Legislative Assembly the key, the heart of the new government, and that direction comes through the committees, through the Assembly to Cabinet, and Cabinet is a working arm of this Assembly. Cabinet cannot be the government and the rest of us the opposition. This group of 24 has to be the driving force the government. I think that's very clear after the last session.

We also have very many complex, complicated issues to deal with. There is a lot of skill, ability and wisdom around this table, but we also have to tie into the skills and abilities that are out there in the real world: the aboriginal groups, business, labour, the federal people and our community leadership. The answers are going to be there collectively and we have to make sure that we don't forget and we have to use that wisdom that's there. It will make our process much easier and our decision-making much wiser.

Last week it also was very clear that MLAs have a very special role to play, not only the business they do but how they do it. We are role models all the time, we are now in the fish bowl or under the magnifying glass. I think people want to be proud of their government and I think they should be. And I think it's important that we make them proud of us. We have to work hard together, respect our rules of conduct and be sober leaders.

I think we also have to acknowledge the need for change. We've inherited a government system that, while it has taken us this far, needs some fundamental changes. The big change is going to be the recognition that a lot of answers to the problems of the North lie with the people of communities at the community level, the people who put is here. No longer is it acceptable for the government to decide what is best for the people. No longer can we bring in consultants or specialists to fix things; it doesn't work. Our job is to facilitate and be a support and resource to the communities, to work with them to develop healthy communities, strong communities where there are jobs, where we have an education system that works.

We also have to, I think, encourage the virtues that built the North: those of hard work, cooperation, initiative, sharing. We have to get away from people's dependency on government. We are not all things for all people. We can't afford to be and we've shown that we can't be. We have to encourage the people to look first to their own resources, to their own inner strength before they expect the government to fix things.

I am very happy about what I've heard and seen here over the last week. I think we have a very strong Assembly, a lot of very capable Members. And I commit to this House that in whatever capacity I serve I will work hard for everybody. I have no personal private agendas other than trying to make the world a better place like we all do as politicians and as we say when we kiss babies and shake hands. But really I think in our hearts that's what we want to do.

So I would look for whatever support you choose to give me. I submit my allegiance to the Premier, and I think we have a lot of big jobs and important issues to deal with but that we can do it together and I'm looking forward to the challenge of the next three and a half years. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. didn't put on the time when you started speaking so we just sort of based it on what we thought the time was before we started the time. But I know a lot of Members have been talking about honesty so if I do miss a time, to the rest of the Members, when your time is up say that your time is up, okay?

I have next on the list Mr. Ng and then Mr. O'Brien. Mr. Ng, you have 10 minutes.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to first congratulate the Premier-elect, Mr. Morin, and also Mrs. Groenewegen for letting her name stand for Premier. I would like to thank my constituents who gave me such a decisive mandate to represent them. I would also like to thank and recognize my family, particularly my wife Susie for her support and understanding over the past two and a half years for all the times I've been away from home. I would also like to stress that we all recognize the running of a campaign how stressful it is to us, but a lot of people don't recognize that it's just as stressful to our family members or even more so, so I think it was important for me to point that out. I would also like to thank my colleague, Mr. Ningark, for nominating me today.

I've known him for a number of years and have worked with him in the past.

Today, honourable Members, I'm seeking your support to represent you as one of the Members on the Executive Council. I want to outline some of my background and experience which I think I can bring to the Cabinet table.

In 1978, I graduated from Vancouver Community College with an accounting diploma. Shortly after that, I was shipped north to Cambridge Bay to begin my career. Between that time and 1986, I held various positions as settlement secretary for the municipal council and on separate occasions as office manager and also as executive director for the Kitikmeot Inuit Association. I also served for two and a half years as the executive officer for the Kitikmeot Regional Council. From 1986 up until my election as MLA in 1993, I was in private business primarily involved in real estate and construction.

Some of my political experience before coming to this Legislature includes serving numerous terms on the Cambridge Bay municipal council. I also served as mayor of the council in 1988 and 1989. At that same time, I also served as president of the NWT Association of Municipalities. Finally, I did serve a term as deputy speaker of the Kitikmeot Regional Council as well.

I have also been involved as both director and chairman of the Cambridge Bay Housing Association. I served terms as vice- president and president of the Cambridge Bay Chamber of Commerce and a term as vice-president of the NWT Chamber of Commerce.

In May, 1993, as I said earlier, I was elected in a by-election as the Member for Kitikmeot. During that time, shortly after my election, I served as a Member and I was also fortunate to serve as the deputy chair of the Standing Committee on Finance. I also served as a Member of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts and the Special Joint Committee on Division. I found that these committees gave me valuable insight into the financial workings of our government.

In February of 1995, I was fortunate to be elected as a Member of Cabinet and given the responsibility for Municipal and Community Affairs by the Premier. During my relatively short tenure as Minister of MACA, I have been fortunate to be able to finish off some of the major initiatives of the department, such as establishing the settlement operating and capital assistance policies that helped out a lot of the smaller communities in the Northwest Territories.

We also were able to establish new funding for a by-law officer, firefighter, SAO and elected officials' training programs. We finalized the new block funding agreement with the city of Yellowknife and was very fortunate to pass new MEBA legislation through this House.

Two major issues facing us are the worsening fiscal situation resulting from our diminishing revenues and our escalating program demands placed upon us. I think we must deal with these issues in a constructive, creative manner to streamline the costs of delivering government, but we also have to recognize, while doing that, that we have to respect that any

changes must be carried out in a fair and equitable manner for the whole of the Northwest Territories and to the civil service.

The second major issue that we have to deal with is the creation of two new territories in 1999. We must all work hard to ensure that the process leading up to division is done in an orderly fashion. We have to ensure that the adequate financial resources are there for both new territories. In dealing with these issues, I think that they will dominate much of the territorial agenda of this Assembly. But having said that, I don't think we can disregard the other important issues which must be addressed; issues such as creating additional income- generating opportunities for our residents; the need for improving our social programs, including housing; and, the need to increase the educational and training levels of all our residents. To deal with these issues, I think we need a Cabinet that is hard working and experienced, and able to work together as a group. But just as importantly, I think the Cabinet has to be able to work effectively with all Members of this House. I believe I can do that.

Having served as an ordinary Member for almost two years, I quickly recognized the most effective and respected Cabinet Members were the ones with the open-door policies and the ones who respected the views of all Members of this House. When I ran for Cabinet earlier this year, I committed to operating that same way, as I was already doing that outside of this Assembly before I came here.

If I am chosen to represent you as one of the Cabinet Members, I will commit to continue being fully accessible and accountable while carrying out my duties. In addition to that, I will commit to continue fair and equitable treatment of all communities and constituencies, regardless of whether they are from the East or West, whether they are small or large or one region versus another.

I am asking for your consideration to support me as one of your Cabinet Members. I believe I have the experience, management skills, the work ethics and the honesty and integrity to contribute to the Cabinet team. Whether I am chosen or not, I would like to say that I will commit to continuing working hard and cooperatively with all Members of this Assembly towards improving the life of all residents of the NWT. After all, that is what we are here for. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I have been getting little notes here and there to take a break. So I think we will do that at this time. Before we go on to Mr. O'Brien, we will take a 15-minute break to get Mr. O'Brien prepared.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

We're back here in time, enough to hear Mr. O'Brien. Mr. O'Brien, you have 1Ominutes.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning, ullaakut, manna, honourable colleagues, Assembly staff, Madam Commissioner, Mr. Premier and all those listening via radio or TV across the North. Before I go on, I would like to say a special good morning and hello to my daughter Kelsey who is five, back in Arviat, and the girl who I haven't seen in the last two weeks. How are you, Kelsey?

I would like to give you a brief overview of my background and the challenges that I believe this Assembly will face over the next four years.

I come from a family of 13 and grew up in a small fishing and mining town in Nova Scotia. After high school I worked in various jobs· in the private sector, including mining and the construction industry. After five years of working, I returned to school to obtain a bachelor's degree from Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia and a two-year master's degree from North Texas State University in Dallas, Texas.

I first came north as the SAO for the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk. This was my first introduction to the North and to true northerners. I moved from Tuktoyaktuk to assume the position of the director of the NWT Housing Corporation for the Keewatin region. Here, I was responsible for the supervision, directly and indirectly, of approximately 100 staff and a $28 million budget.

Living and working in both the Western and Eastern Arctic has given me a strong understanding of the many issues we have in common as northerners and also of the uniqueness of people from different parts of the North and their concerns.

Since being elected I have expressed interest in a Cabinet position. I believe strongly that I have a great deal to offer and that my background has prepared me to do a very good job on Cabinet. My experience .in municipal and territorial politics and government, my employment in the construction and mining industry, and my experiencing negotiating with federal government agencies has given me a broad view of how various governments operate.

There are many key issues facing the NWT that should be addressed now. One of the major challenges for Cabinet will be to guide the government toward division of the NWT. My · combination of experience in both the Eastern and Western Arctic would allow me to take a balanced approach to the issues relating to division, recognizing the distinct needs and aspirations of the people in different parts of the Territories. The government cannot wait for the federal government to make its final decisions. We must be preparing now to be sure

that we are not left to play catch-up or ill-prepared for what is ahead.

Just as there must be a great deal of effort and energy put into preparing for the division of the NWT, I believe that we must dedicate the same amount of energy to ensuring a strong union and relationship between the new territories. This is crucial since we are only dividing the pie. We will remain neighbours, trading partners, business associations and, most importantly, good friends.

In the West, we should facilitate the continuation of the western constitutional development process. One key factor in this is settling the self-government issues in the West. The Premier along with the other Cabinet Ministers must do what they can to get the federal government to the table with the various aboriginal. organizations. Until self-government and treaty issues are resolved, it is difficult for the western process to move forward significantly. Without knowing what forms of aboriginal government will take place, it is hard to determine what form of public government is appropriate.

Another critical issue for the government is the financial situation. In years past, money was plentiful and the government could provide whatever programs it wanted to. Now we have entered a time when there isn't enough money to go around and to carry out the programs that we wish. Hard choices will have to be made. There will be a need for strong leadership from Cabinet to make the hard choices guided by the needs of the people of the North. We will need to actively explore both revenue initiatives and cost-cutting strategies to make sure there's no deficit in the territorial budget. We have a good start in the formula. financing agreement just negotiated by the outgoing Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard. It is up to us to take a hard look at how we do business and make some meaningful change which will allow us to provide the level of services northerners need by living within our means.

There are serious social problems in many of our communities which is tearing at our social fabric, we all know about them: family violence, alcohol and drug abuse, suicide, child and elder abuse, et cetera. In the 12th Assembly, the Special Committee on Health and Social Services brought many .of these problems to the forefront and into the open. The previous government began a program to address these concerns at the community level. We need to make sure this program is more than just words. Communities need the resources and the support to decide what their social priorities are and how to best address them.

The next Cabinet must ensure that the Cabinet works together to address the social problems from many different angles.

These include issues such as looking at the community options where communities can decide what punishment fits the crime and what will discourage repeat offenders and offences; encouraging local economic development opportunities so that people are working and feeling good about themselves; looking at the support for the front-line workers so they can remain strong and healthy for the good of their clients.

Education must also continue to be a priority for the new Cabinet. Northerners should be governed and cared for by northerners. In order to do that, northerners must have an education which prepares them for whatever they wish to do. We need to continue to promote education as the key to our future, both among our young people and those of us who take advantage of the adult education programs offered across the North.

Coming from a small community, I understand the desires of the people in the communities to take more control of government programs. We have to find a way to ensure that these programs are transferred to the communities, but with the support and assistance to ensure that they succeed in delivering the services. We also need to find a balance between local control and maintaining stems of service for all northerners. While there are many common threads, each community may need a slightly different approach to a similar problem. We must find a way to allow communities the authority and the responsibility to find their own solutions.

There are many other issues that I could speak about today that we will be faced with over the next four years. I think my time is coming to a close. 1 will close off by asking my honourable colleagues to consider my bid for Cabinet, and I assure you of my commitment to the Assembly, my loyalty and my promise to carry my fair share of the load over the next four years as we journey toward 1999 and Nunavut. Thank you, salamut, matna, mahsi.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. Before I proceed to Mr. Picco, I would like to recognize in the gallery Mr. Dennis Lyall. Dennis is the chairman of the Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education; also, Joe Attagutaluk, and he's a member of the Baffin Divisional Board of Education; Sandy Kusugak is the vice-chair of the Keewatin Divisional Board of Education, in the gallery. Welcome to the Assembly.

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We have next in alphabetical order, Mr. Picco and then Mr. Steen.