Transcript of meeting #3 for Territorial Leadership Committee in the 13th Assembly.

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On the agenda

Item 3: Election Of Premier
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as the people of Nunavut will be in control of their own affairs after April 1, 1999, and even leading up to it, we are aware that they are not fully prepared to take on all aspects of providing programs and services which they will eventually be doing. We are aware that there are going to be programs and services that arrangements will be made between the Western Territory and Nunavut, and the Western Territory will continue to provide those programs and services. There has to be some arrangements made between the two territories to provide that service. There are going to be costs involved and we will continue to provide those programs and services to Nunavut. That arrangement is already being worked on, it is in place. I will honour that arrangement as it gets into place.

Again, I will have to familiarize myself with that whole arrangement and work with the people in Nunavut, the MLAs here, and certainly would like to meet with the Office of the Interim Commissioner and see if there is any way that we could develop a closer working relationship where the lines of communication will open. If there are any problems that arise during the transition through this communication process, we would try to address these problems. I think in this way, hopefully that will build a good working relationship and that there is trust there and we would certainly like to cooperate with them. I have supported Nunavut when the decision was made some time ago to go that route, for division. I continue to do so today and I think the reality is, we will be neighbours. There needs to be a close working relationship even after division.

We work closely with the Yukon, we have similar problems, we have been working with the provinces, mainly in Alberta. We deal with the northern part of British Columbia, Saskatchewan and Manitoba as well, today. Similar to that, Nunavut will be our neighbours to the east and we will have to continue to have a close working relationship with Nunavut after the creation of Nunavut. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Not in the form of a question but to clarify once again, there is an issue that Mr. Kakfwi spoke to already in his opening comments so I do not believe I require an answer from him, I know what it is. Having said that, I have known both gentlemen for the past few years and I wish both of them the best of luck, thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo, there was no question there. Mr. Ng.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, both relationship between Nunavut and the New Western Territory candidates and Members of the House recognize the establishment of Nunavut is a substantive relationship in respect to the common history, as Mr. Kakfwi spoke to and the contracting relationship that is going to take place between the jurisdictions, and I appreciate Mr. Arlooktoo's question on that. Both candidates have recognized that there is a need to establish a good working relationship, we are neighbours because of the history and that, I would like to ask both of them what process do they envision in establishing and nurturing and developing that positive relationship between the western government and the incoming Nunavut government and Premier. What process would they use to ensure that happens? Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

We will start with Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The relationship between the two territories will be primarily between the two Cabinets, the two Premiers and Members of the Legislature. It will require that we have regular meetings, meetings conducted in Nunavut and in the new Western Territory. We have a tremendous amount of issues that we are going to work on together, relationships with Ottawa, how to get Nunavut into the numerous meetings of provinces and territories, ministerial bodies, that the Northwest Territories currently sits on. There are fiscal relations, contract services and issues that are common to both the territories that will require on-going and frequent discussions between the two governments. The process will be one of constant and frequent contact and discussions between our respective senior management. That will probably be an area that we should start working on as soon as possible. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Nunavut will be having their election in February and then there will be, by mid-February, we will have an indication of who the 19 Members are going to be. I think that will be a starting point. This Northwest Territories, we are very small and people who are putting their name forward, I am familiar with most of them and whoever is successful in their bid to be Members of the Legislative

Assembly for the first Nunavut Legislative Assembly, will be known. Being familiar with the people there is a start. I have known a lot of people in Nunavut on a personal basis and I think we all do that in the north, we are very familiar and friendly with everybody else, so that is a good start.

Once the Legislative Assembly is developed into a full Legislative Assembly, and once they go through their process in the early part of April of who their Premier is going to be and who is going to be on Cabinet, I think they are on their own and they are separate from us and we have to treat them as a separate entity then. It is a different process altogether. Once they get their government into place, I think, along with all the other provincial governments and territorial governments, we will congratulate them and make contact.

We have a special relationship with Nunavut already because we all know we are going to be providing programs and services so there will be arrangements made with the Office of the Interim Commissioner there that will tie us into Nunavut already. There are a number of areas where the processes are in place and I think there is going to have to be some sort of a formal type of an agreement there. We use a memorandum of understanding type of agreement with other jurisdictions, perhaps that is one way of making the formal type of arrangement with Nunavut, once they are in place. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng.

Process to Ensure Program Effectiveness

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you. I would like to thank both of the Members for their answers. I, too, would like to wish them both success in their bid to be Premier. It is unfortunate that there is only one successful candidate, but my final question, Mr. Chairman, is there has been talk about looking at programs, about recognizing priorities and possibly shifting resources based on what those priorities would be. I know we went through an exercise when we first came into office, I would like to ask both candidates again, what process would they put in place to assess or evaluate the effectiveness of our current programs as they move towards the possibility of making that type of a decision? Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Whenever we undertake any process, it is in conjunction and working with the Members of the Cabinet and with Members of the Legislative Assembly. We all know through the line of questioning that has taken place in the last few days of questioning, that there are a lot of concerns by the public, and by MLAs here, representing their public on the type of areas where we should be looking at. I think that in the very short remaining life of this Legislative Assembly as we know it, somebody mentioned 14 weeks to go, what can we do in 14 weeks? It is very hard to do. These are just my thoughts but for the process, we are going to have to look at the Cabinet itself and see if there is any opportunity there.

In our line of questioning today, what I did is identify that, yes, there are limited resources out there to do everything that we need to do, we have to look at maybe the bigger picture of trying to acquire additional revenue from some means or other, but if we are going to be, I did not really get into the area of shifting funding from one area to the other. My view is, if we are going to do what some of the MLAs have been asking, if we do not have any other source of revenue, that is what we are going to have to end up doing, looking at shifting dollars from elsewhere within the whole system. That is a difficult choice to make because once you do that, there are going to be problems raised in other sectors of this government. We are all aware of that. It is going to have to be done through a really close working relationship with all the Members in the Cabinet if that is the direction we are going to go. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. It is my intention to focus even more energy and commitment on the relationship with Ottawa. It should be a fairly simple matter to get additional monies through our economic initiatives to replace the original Economic Development Agreement. It is not a difficult exercise. We got hung up on this exercise of trying to draft an economic strategy and we have been unable to provide to Ottawa an economic strategy on a timely basis, which is supposed to produce new dollars, badly needed dollars to replace the now defunct Economic Development Agreement monies. You can always look at the budget to see if there are any additional ways to streamline. We know that amalgamation, for instance, was put on hold by this Legislature because we felt we have done enough, but there is work to do with Ottawa and Mr. Martin on the tax window. A way to increase our revenue by increasing the tax window.

We have ways to create additional jobs through pursuing value added activities in the diamond industry which we have been slowly, but methodically developing. Every time we create a job, means there are less people on social assistance. It means two or three more people who do not have to apply for social assistance and take away scarce dollars from that particular envelope. We have to continue to be aggressive in working to create jobs in the oil and gas industry, mining industry, diamond industry, and trying to attract more and more tourists up here because that sector of the economy is the one that benefits Colville Lake and Kakisa as much as it does Yellowknife and Inuvik. It expands right across the territories. People come, they spend their money, they leave. It is incredibly friendly, it does not tax our infrastructure throughout the entire year. We need to increase the amount of dollars that come in from that sector. Those are some of the things that I think we can, and should do and continue to do. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Steen.

Cabinet Performance and Existing Contractual Policies

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my question is directed to both candidates. I would like to know what steps are the candidates prepared to take to assure Cabinet performance and compliance with existing contractual policies?

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are

existing policies and regulations in place and any time that contracts come up, I make sure that I try to get the best advice I can from my staff to tell me if this is the proper way to do this, that every thing has been taken into consideration on the way things are suppose to get done. I will maintain that approach at a higher level, at the Cabinet level, to make sure that whatever steps are needed to be taken to ensure that everything is complied with. The rules and regulations and policies are there. I think that if we abide by them, they are put in there so that we have safeguards on how we do things and if we do it accordingly, we will not run into any problems. There is concern in the last few days, last few weeks, that there are grey areas in the policies. We already said that we are going to be looking at these policies to be sure that we tighten them up.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman. How Cabinet conducts itself and how it goes about its work is fundamentally important to everyone. It is my view that one of the things that can be done almost immediately is to put in place senior staff, for instance, a principal secretary who has a background in law, who would have the respect and confidence of everyone in Cabinet including the Legislature, who would have the confidence and the support of Cabinet to just tell it like it is. If there is something before Cabinet that compels us to review and question the way we resolve this issue, then it should be said, the deputy minister of the Executive. As I was saying, these people are critical. Their advice is critical. They should feel free to offer their views without fear to the Cabinet -- in their view what should the Cabinet do in the best interests of government, in the best interests of the Legislature, in the best interests of the public.

We can look at the way in which Ministers conduct business within their departments so that they are advised, if the way in which they conduct business with their Departments needs some revision, needs some clarification and to assure that deputy ministers, each and every one of them is compelled to conduct business in a way that conforms to government policy as they see it. If they have difficulty with that and they feel Ministers' instructions or direction is getting them to an area where they are not comfortable following, they should feel free to talk to the deputy minister of the Executive, bring it up to the respective Ministers and the Premier, so it can be dealt with, without fear of reprisal, without fear that they may be punished, without fear that they may stand in disfavour of their Ministers. We have to find a way to do that. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Steen.

Regional Director Beaufort Delta Area

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my second question is, again, directed to both candidates. Mr. Chairman, the leadership in the Beaufort Delta Area have identified a shortage of funding for a position which used to be a regional director to coordinate the efforts of all the superintendents in the region. The question is, would the candidates be willing to consider reinstating funding for those types of positions that would be answerable to their office.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my view and, in fact, it is in part of my speech. The best parts I did not give this morning. There is a feeling on my part that we need to address the fact that in the more remote regions, say Inuvik, perhaps the Baffin is the same, perhaps the Kitikmeot and Keewatin, although they will deal with those themselves in the new administration being set up now.

I know that in the Sahtu and in the Inuvik region, we desperately need someone, some office to coordinate the information and activities of all the departments. I go back to my region, the Sahtu, and it is impossible for me to know when one person - what the different departments are doing in that region. I have to go to each separate official and ask them. It is just not possible to do that anymore. At one time we would go into Inuvik, and the regional director would meet us and he would be working with the different departments and the superintendents, exactly what was happening in all the communities in each department and the status of projects and activities being conducted at that moment. It is a tremendous amount of work for any Member of the Legislature, or the public, for that matter to get a snapshot, an assessment, a summary of the government's activities in this region. I would feel compelled, to say that I would strongly support the re-establishment of some sort of a position like that. Thank you.