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Committee Report 9-12(3): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions, Interim Report On Health And Hospital Boards In The N.w.t.
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you. On interim observations, Mr. Speaker, a very serious stage of affairs presently exists within the administration of the territorial health care system. The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, throughout the course of its review, has found disconcerting evidence with respect to the status of boards of management created under the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act for the purpose of operating health care facilities across the Northwest Territories. When responsibilities for health were transferred to the Government of the Northwest Territories in 1988, the decision was made to establish a system of health and hospital boards rather than centralizing authority for administrative affairs in Yellowknife.

The goal was to ensure that communities and regions would be able to take responsibility for the administration and delivery of the health care services required by their residents. After approximately four years, there are strong signals that the entire scheme is not unfolding as it should. There is a real risk that, unless significant adjustments are made in the prevailing approach used by the Department of Health, the development of a community based foundation for the administration of health care services may be headed for failure.

The Members of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions were dismayed by the degree to which conflict between the health board and the Department of Health is exerting itself on our health care delivery system. When one regional health board chairperson was asked by the committee to identify the biggest stumbling block to meeting the health care needs of her region, she responded clearly and simply, "the Department of Health."

The specific problems are numerous and will be fully elaborated upon when the standing committee brings forward its comprehensive report at a later point during the third session. At the base of each of the concerns however, the standing committee recognises two common factors. One is the role of confusion and overly centralized control. Undoubtedly, there is a debilitating lack of definition surrounding the roles that should be played by the Minister, the department and the health and hospital boards. The Commissioner's agreement respecting the management of the retransfer of health services and even the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act are being interpreted differently by the boards and the department. This is leading to frustration and conflict -- I do not know why the microphone went off. This is leading to frustration and conflict and quite likely considerable inefficiency within the health care system. This becomes quickly apparent with respect to the strain which surrounds administrative functions at the board level.

The board sees itself as a board of management which should be allowed by the department to manage. Yet, almost without exception, the board representatives who appeared in January and in November repeated instances when they had felt plagued by demands for financial information, inconstant direction on the budget, administration and procedures imposed by headquarters. Clearly the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions does not wish to overlook the importance of monitoring and accountability. It seems as though for the Northwest Territories Department of Health these concepts are too frequently seen as an attempt to excuse over-zealous and misplaced commitment to central financial and administrative control.

The outstanding question is, who is really in charge of health care in my region? The board of the department's hospital and health facility division seems to impose itself on any effort to coordinate health care services or policies. That reflects the headquarters' attitude, which seems to assume that health or hospital boards will automatically fail to meet statutory financial management or operational criteria unless there is direct involvement of departmental officials. It engenders an attitude of suspicion and resentment among people who serve the board as appointed members or staff.

Committee Report 9-12(3): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions, Interim Report On Health And Hospital Boards In The N.w.t.
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Koe.

Committee Report 9-12(3): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions, Interim Report On Health And Hospital Boards In The N.w.t.
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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some comments on the memorandum of understanding. During the address to the 1992 annual general meeting of the Northwest Territories Health Care Association, the former Minister of Health, the Honourable Dennis Patterson, outlined an approach that may hold some solutions to the currently unacceptable level of uncertainty and control conflict. He commented that, " A master M.O.U. between the health boards and the departments must be developed. It is my intention that work should begin on the M.O.U. within the next several weeks and substantially before the end of the fiscal year. Completion of this work should clarify many long-standing issues of authority and accountability and preparation for the collaborative advantages that must follow." The Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions recognizes this process as the essential first step to the resolution of the strained and hampered working relationships between the boards and the department. It should be accorded at the highest priority within the Department of Health and among the hospital and health boards. However, it should not be seen as a permanent alternative to legislative review and amendment.

The October 1990 report of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions from the 11th Assembly recommended that the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act should be repealed and replaced with one that "better reflects the government's philosophy of supporting regional autonomy". This still has not been done. The legislative response is too long overdue.

The process by which this M.O.U. is to be established must be structured to ensure full and direct participation by all health boards. During their meeting with board representatives, Members of the standing committee were dismayed to learn that several boards had not received an update on the initiative since the Minister's September announcement. This effort will simply not succeed unless it is based on ongoing information exchanges and a collaborative approach.

Finally, there are some indications that the department may now be very for from the Ministers original time line, which envisions substantial completion of the M.O.U. by the conclusion of the 1992-93 fiscal year. The department must prioritize the timely negotiations and finalization of this key document.

During the period between the tabling of this interim report and the delivery of a comprehensive final report, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions will monitor this departmental initiative to ensure that it is proceeding according to the previously announced time line and with appropriate direction and input from the health and hospital boards.

Mr. Speaker, that concludes our interim report on Health and Hospital Boards in the Northwest Territories.

Motion To Move Committee Report 9-12(3) To Committee Of The Whole

I would therefore move that the Interim Report of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions on Health and Hospital Boards in the Northwest Territories be received and moved into the Committee of the Whole for further consideration.

Committee Report 9-12(3): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions, Interim Report On Health And Hospital Boards In The N.w.t.
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order, Mr. Koe. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Committee Report 9-12(3): Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions, Interim Report On Health And Hospital Boards In The N.w.t.
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Committee Report 9-12(3), Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, Interim Report on Health and Hospital Boards of the Northwest Territories, is ordered into the Committee of the Whole. Item 10, Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Item 11, Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills. Mr. Arngna'naaq.

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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Silas Arngna'naaq Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Legislation has reviewed Bill 3, an Act to Amend the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation Act, and wishes to report that Bill 3 is now ready for the Committee of the Whole. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive rule 66(5) and have Bill 3 moved into the Committee of the Whole today.

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays?

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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An Hon. Member

Nay.

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Bill 3, pursuant to rule 66(3), is ordered into Committee of the Whole two sitting days hence.

Item 11, Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills. Item 12, Tabling of Documents. Mr. Pollard.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

December 9th, 1992

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Tabled Document 34-12(3), Aurorales -Expo '92 Revolving Fund Account, Interim Financial Statements, October 31, 1992. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, Tabling of documents. Mr. Antoine.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table two documents. First, I would like to table Tabled Document 35-12(3), a copy of a correspondence received November 11, 1992 addressed to me from the base manager for Canadian Helicopters in Fort Simpson.

Second, I would like to table Tabled Document 36-12(3), a copy of correspondence dated October 28, 1992, addressed to me from the manager of Nahanni Inn. Both documents express strong opposition to the proposed increase in Workers' Compensation Board assessments. Thank you.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, Tabling of Documents. Item 13, Notices of Motion. Mr. Koe.

Motion 11-12(3): Extension Of Sitting Hours - December 10, 1992
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Monday, December 18, 1992 I will move the following motion. Now therefore I move, seconded it by the honourable Member for Thebacha, that the Speaker be authorized to set such additional sitting hours for Thursday, December 10, 1992, deemed necessary to complete the business before the Assembly. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be seeking unanimous consent to proceed with this motion today.

Motion 11-12(3): Extension Of Sitting Hours - December 10, 1992
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 13, Notices of Motion. Mr. Zoe.

Motion 12-12(3): Appointments To Standing And Special Committees And Management And Services Board
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Monday, December 16, 1992, I will move the following motion. Now therefore I move, seconded by the honourable Member for High Arctic, that the following Members be appointed to the Standing or Special Committee of this House:

- to the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, Mr. Arvaluk, and as alternate Members, Mr. Patterson and Mr. Whitford;

- to the Standing Committee on Finance, Mr. Arvaluk and Mr. Patterson;

- to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, Mr. Whitford as an alternate Member;

- to the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges, Mr. Patterson, Mr. Whitford and the Honourable Mr. Richard Nerysoo;

- to the Special Committee on Health and Social Services Mr. Ningark and Mr. Patterson; and

- to the Striking Committee, Mr. Arvaluk.

And, further, pursuant to section 35 of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, that Mr. Antoine and Mr. Patterson be appointed Members of the Management and Services Board. Mr. Speaker, at the proper time, I will seek unanimous consent to proceed with my motion today.

Motion 12-12(3): Appointments To Standing And Special Committees And Management And Services Board
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Notices of Motion. Item 14, Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills. Mr. Kakfwi.

Motion 12-12(3): Appointments To Standing And Special Committees And Management And Services Board
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, could I get unanimous consent to go back to Return to Oral Questions?

Motion 12-12(3): Appointments To Standing And Special Committees And Management And Services Board
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to Item 4. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed please, Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 137-12(3): Assessment Of Positions Within The Department Of Public Works
Revert Back To Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Revert Back To Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have two returns. The first one is in response to a question asked by the honourable Mr. Nerysoo on November 30 with regard to assessment of positions within the Department of Public Works.

The Member from Mackenzie Delta asked me an oral question on November 30, on whether I would be prepared, as the Minister of Personnel, to embark on a review process to indicate the potential consequences for aboriginal or northern workers of the privatization policy. I agreed to do so. I assumed that the Member was also concerned about the impact of our downsizing and consolidation efforts. My response deals with all these issues across the government.

At the moment, where organizational change is considered, there are standard processes in place which require departments to do assessments, both in the initial planning and prior to implementation to ensure that the impacts on the northern work force are thoroughly considered. As Members may know, the government has established two support programs to assist employees affected by downsizing and decentralization. These programs have been very successful in locating alternative jobs for staff, and for aboriginal people in particular.

So far across the government, although 176 jobs were eliminated in 1992-93 by decentralization, or downsizing or consolidation of departments, only 61 employees were affected. That is because most departments left positions vacant to avoid laying off staff. At this point, alternatives have been located for 31 of the 34 employees who were interested in employment elsewhere in the government. Twenty-seven employees have opted to take the enhanced severance payments rather than consider alternative jobs. Only eight aboriginal employees have been affected to date. Of these, two have found alternative jobs, one will be looking for a transfer when she returns from sick leave and five have chosen to take enhanced severance payments instead of accepting transfers.

Before Cabinet will approve any request for major organizational changes which will displace staff, a proposal is considered by an Organization Review Committee in the Department of the Executive to ensure that the changes are in the best interests of the Northwest Territories and staff. Detailed plans for dealing with the needs of all staff are included in any submissions to Cabinet. The impact of these initiatives will be monitored closely and I will report to this House on the results.

Further Return To Question 126-12(3): Justify Moving Fort Smith Regional Manager Position To Hay River
Revert Back To Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Revert Back To Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

I also have a response to Jeannie Marie-Jewell's question of November 30 on justifying moving the Fort Smith regional manager position to Hay River. The purpose of the Fort Smith regional manager position is to manage and coordinate the work and activities of the Language Bureau staff in Rae/Edzo, Fort Simpson, Hay River, Lutsel K'e and to monitor and maintain standards of interpreting and translating services. The position is in charge of all language services provided to government departments and agencies in the Fort Smith Region. There are no aboriginal language interpreter/translator staff members in Fort Smith. The position was relocated from Fort Smith to Hay River to enable the Manager to work directly with at least one of his staff and to take advantage of the Manager's fluency in South Slavey.

In Hay River, the Manager is available to provide additional language services when required in that community. The Manager could not have provided interpretation or translation in Chipewyan or Cree had he been required to in Fort Smith, since his language is South Slavey. It is also less expensive for the Manager to travel out of Hay River to the other communities in the region. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 126-12(3): Justify Moving Fort Smith Regional Manager Position To Hay River
Revert Back To Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Revert Back To Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Returns to Oral Questions. We will return then to Item 14, Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills. Item 15, Motions. Motion 8-12(3), Extended Adjournment of the House. Mr. Koe.

Item 15: Motions
Item 15: Motions

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Can I proceed with the motion I gave notice of today?

Item 15: Motions
Item 15: Motions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

I would like to deal with this one first please, Mr. Koe.