This is page numbers 85 - 125 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was health.

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Congratulating Mrs. Dora Grandjambe
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford.

Member's Statement Re Appreciation To Alberta Government For Swan Hills Incinerator
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for some time, we in the Northwest Territories have had trouble with the issue of hazardous waste. Rather, I should say, trouble with what to do with them after we've finished using them or, at times, with where they've been created. This issue is one which is territorial-wide and not only in the industrialized communities such as Yellowknife, Pine Point and Hay River, but wherever things such as PCBs and other chemicals are used.

We have had few choices over the years as to what to do with them. Either we've had to recycle them, had to store them or else had to destroy them in some way. Unfortunately, the only option we had was to store them, until quite recently. Thanks to the diligence of this government and particularly the Department of Renewable Resources, now we have a solution in sight through the Swan Hills hazardous waste incinerator that was built some time ago and only updated recently to handle quite a variety and amount of hazardous waste.

In September of this year, the Alberta government announced that the Swan Hills treatment facility will accept all hazardous waste from the Northwest Territories, including PCBs, on an intermediate basis. This is good news, Mr. Speaker, because it gives us an opportunity to get rid of the hazardous waste we currently have in storage at very little cost to us, and in an environmentally safe manner.

I want to take this opportunity to say thank you to the Alberta government on behalf of the people I represent, in particular Premier Klein who was the former Minister of the Environment and the one who this government negotiated with on this matter. I also wish to thank the Honourable Brian Evans, the current Minister of the Environment, whose responsibility this comes under. This is indeed good news for us and we will certainly take advantage of it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Member's Statement Re Appreciation To Alberta Government For Swan Hills Incinerator
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan.

Inmates' Right To Vote
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Thursday, November 19, 1993, I gave a Member's statement on the issue of the unconstitutionality of a section of the Elections Act which prohibits inmates from voting. Today I would like to take the opportunity to speak on the issue of what I believe legislation should do to remedy this problem.

Mr. Speaker, now is the time for the House to address the issue of inmates voting. The courts have already addressed this issue by ruling that an absolute prohibition is unconstitutional. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Dennis Patterson stated on July 3, 1991, in response to my motion to refer this issue to the courts that we do not need judges to do politicians' work. With all due respect to my learned friend, the judges have done a portion of our work by ruling equivalent legislation unconstitutional. Now is the time for us to finish this job by considering various legislative options.

Mr. Speaker, I do not support the idea that every inmate should have the right to vote. Voting is a precious right in a democratic society. It is not a right which should be automatic to every citizen. The right to vote should also not be automatically or thoughtlessly taken away. The difficulty I have with our current legislation is that it prohibits all inmates from voting, regardless of the length of their jail sentence or the circumstances of their crime. This type of blanket prohibition without thought or rationale is what I, and the Supreme Court of Canada, found offensive.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that inmates convicted of the most serious offence against society and people in society should lose the right to vote. As my learned friend, Brian Lewis, stated on July 3, 1991, once you have broken the conventional laws of our society, you lose your right. I do believe, however, that the laws of the right to vote should only be for the most serious offences. It simply is not possible to compare long-term prison...

Inmates' Right To Vote
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Mr. Gargan, your time has expired.

Inmates' Right To Vote
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to get unanimous consent to continue my statement.

Inmates' Right To Vote
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Inmates' Right To Vote
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

The Member is asking for unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Gargan, please proceed.

Inmates' Right To Vote
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable Members. It simply is not possible to compare long-term prison inmates to those inmates who are in prison for a very brief period of time. Yet, under the current legislation, both long-term and short-term inmates, regardless of the differences of their offenses, lose their right to vote.

Mr. Speaker, the federal government, in the most recent election, allowed those inmates who are jailed for two years or less to vote in the recent election. Inmates with sentences greater than two years are not allowed to vote. I believe that the federal government's approach on this issue is rational and reasonable and that their approach will withstand the scrutiny of the courts.

Mr. Speaker, two years ago Members stated that the courts should not deal with this issue, that this issue was a matter for this House to decide. I urge us all to have a debate in the near future on this issue that so many Members called for two years ago. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Inmates' Right To Vote
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson.

Congratulating Honourable John Todd On Devolution Efforts
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly believe in giving credit where credit is due and I want to just simply acknowledge the tremendous progress that has been made toward finally devolving some decision-making authority and some flexibility to the regions by the Honourable John Todd in the short time that he's occupied the portfolios of Economic Development and Tourism and Transportation.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, I've been urging this kind of decentralization of decision-making authority, so that regional staff can deal with regional problems in a flexible way, for many years. I hate to say it, but the trend even while I was in Cabinet, seemed to have been toward bringing things closer to the chest and bringing decision-making to headquarters. Mr. Todd, in a few short weeks with the support of his deputies, has moved the trend the other way and I want to acknowledge that and I want to congratulate him for that in both Economic Development and Tourism, and Transportation. Now, let's hope that the other departments will follow suit so that regional staff can deal with regional problems in a unique and flexible way, without having to run to Yellowknife every time they want to ask permission to go to the bathroom. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Congratulating Honourable John Todd On Devolution Efforts
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Order please. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 5, oral questions. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 36-12(4): Reason For Disruption Of Ferry Service
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

November 22nd, 1993

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Whitford yesterday, regarding the Fort Providence ferry. The Fort Providence ferry was taken out

of service on Friday, November 19 at 4:45 pm. Operation resumed at 2:00 am the following morning and is continuing, despite the extremely low water. The low water level has been caused by an ice dam upstream of the crossing which is preventing the flow of water into the river. At places, gravel bars are beginning to show through the surface. Load limits on the ferry have been reduced to 45 kilograms and may drop to 25 kilograms later today if the water level does not improve. Low water conditions are common at this time of the year, although this year they appear to be more extreme than usual. Intermittent disruptions can be expected to occur, both from low water conditions and from the presence of floating ice. The department expects that the ferry will operate into January, by which time the ice bridge will be constructed and capable of carrying full loads.

Return To Question 36-12(4): Reason For Disruption Of Ferry Service
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard.

Further Return To Question 39-12(4): School Bussing Policy
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Arngna'naaq on November 22, 1993, concerning the date of introduction for supplementary appropriation covering bus funding. Mr. Speaker, the additional contribution funding of $268,000 to school boards for this year, for increased costs associated with student transportation, is included in Supplementary Appropriation, No. 2, 1993-94. This supplementary appropriation is presently being reviewed by the Standing Committee on Finance. This additional funding in 1993-94 will permit the application of the bussing policy across the territories, according to a consistent set of criteria. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 39-12(4): School Bussing Policy
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Mike.

Further Return To Question 14-12(4): Alcohol And Drug Services Board Of Management Appointments
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on November 19, 1993, about the date the alcohol and drug board of management was dissolved. The decision to eliminate the board was made on April 13, 1992. The last board meeting was held on August 12, 1992.

Further Return To Question 14-12(4): Alcohol And Drug Services Board Of Management Appointments
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Whitford.

Question 46-12(4): Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question that I would like to direct to the Premier, and perhaps it springs from the fortunate events that came up in the last day, since yesterday. Madam Premier has had to reassign portfolios and workloads to the remaining Ministers in her Cabinet. A task that the Premier has had to undertake several times in the past 24 months and I and other Members would like to know or question, what factors does the Government Leader take into account for the assigning of Cabinet portfolios?

Question 46-12(4): Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you, Madam Premier.

Return To Question 46-12(4): Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios
Question 46-12(4): Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the individual, the individual's knowledge, capability and past experience in certain areas, whether or not it was with this Legislative Assembly, so there's a number of issues that are there. They are varied. Thank you.

Return To Question 46-12(4): Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios
Question 46-12(4): Criteria For Assigning Ministers' Portfolios
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Dent.

Question 47-12(4): Consideration Of Workloads In Assigning Portfolios
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to follow up on that question to the Premier. Could the Premier perhaps advise the House in assigning Cabinet portfolios, is one of the things that she considers as being important or ideal, that the workload should be equalized among Ministers?

Question 47-12(4): Consideration Of Workloads In Assigning Portfolios
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you, Madam Premier.

Return To Question 47-12(4): Consideration Of Workloads In Assigning Portfolios
Question 47-12(4): Consideration Of Workloads In Assigning Portfolios
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it depends on what you call equal, if you mean various portfolios to each individual. There are all kinds of factors that take place. Because I work with individuals on a day to day basis, I can determine whether a person can handle a little bit more, a little bit less. So, I suppose the word "equal" would be a subjective word that I would use. I know I work with these people every day and I know that certain people can carry a little bit more. Some people have had long experience. For example, Mr. Todd, who was with MACA years ago, has intimate knowledge of how it was set up...

---Laughter

So you consider these types of things. I think some people have more experience because of an opportunity in the past. Thank you.