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Return To Written Question 4-12(4): Iqaluit Hot Water System Shutdown Costs
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Return to Written Question 4-12(4), asked by Mr. Patterson to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, concerning the Iqaluit hot water system shutdown costs.

system. At this time, the central heating system was operated by the NWT Power Corporation (NWTPC). The GNWT purchased HTHW wholesale from NWTPC and resold it to individual users. There were no formal agreements between NWTPC, the GNWT or the individual users.

In December, 1991, FDL ceased purchasing HTHW from the system. That same month, a proposal was put forward to Cabinet to allow NWTPC to increase its rates for HTHW effective March 15, 1992. This rate increase was approved and came into force on March 15, 1992. In April, 1993, the central heating system was decommissioned.

During the one year period between the rate increase and the decommissioning of the system, the town of Iqaluit's costs relating to the purchase of HTHW increased by $250,714, an increase of 104 per cent. This occurred for the other remaining users of the system as well. On October 29, 1993, the town formally requested that the GNWT reimburse them for the amount of the increase, relying on section 3(w) of the turnover/acquisition agreement and on representations made by the NWT at the meetings of the Iqaluit Turnover Implementation Committee.

There were two issues:

1. whether the GNWT was liable for the increased utility costs paid by the town of Iqaluit under section 3(w) of the turnover/acquisition agreement, and,

2. whether the GNWT was liable for these costs outside of this agreement.

The conclusion of the GNWT legal division was that the GNWT was not liable under section 3(w), however, there were other factors which implied liability for this amount, outside of the terms of the agreement, including the failure of the GNWT to take several actions required by other sections of the turnover/acquisition agreement, the lack of a written agreement between the GNWT and the purchasers of the HTHW, the relationship between the GNWT and NWTPC, and representations made by the GNWT officials in discussions with the town.

As can be seen from the preceding explanation, this is a very complex issue which largely accounts for the events that have occurred to date. However, given the current situation, the GNWT is prepared to insulate the town from the $250,000 cost increase that occurred in 1992-93. My officials are working on this and action will be taken before the end of the calendar year. In the circumstances, I believe the GNWT is acting in good faith and is going beyond its legal obligations. As a result, I would not be prepared to consider paying interest on the amount paid by the town in October.

Return To Written Question 6-12(4): Details And Costs Of Government Repaired Houses
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Return to Written Question 6-12(4), asked by Mr. Dent to the Minister of Public Works and Services, concerning details and costs of government prepared houses.

I will provide to the Member, today, a list of government-owned houses for which repairs and renovations have been performed. The list is by house address, including costs, for all level I communities for the 1992-93 fiscal year, and for the current fiscal year, to date.

Return To Written Question 13-12(4): Hay Plan Status
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Return to Written Question 13-12(4), asked by Mr. Gargan to the chairman of the Financial Management Board, concerning the Hay Plan status.

The names of senior staff who sit on the Management Evaluation Committee are Lew Voytilla, Secretary of the Financial Management Board; Pierre Alvarez, secretary to Cabinet; Ken Lovely, Deputy Minister, Social Services; John Quirke, Deputy Minister, Safety and Public Services; Al Menard, Deputy Minister, Municipal and Community Affairs; Eric Nielsen, Deputy Minister, Finance; Hal Gerein, Deputy Minister, Education, Culture and Employment; and, Joe Handley, Deputy Minister, Renewable Resources.

The positions that are currently in the Management Category (Hay Plan) are the Clerk of the Legislative Assembly, Director of Finance and Administration and the Director of Research and Information.

The following positions have been referred to the Management Evaluation Committee (Hay Plan Committee) in the past two years: Clerk, Legislative Assembly; Director, Finance and Administration; Director, Facilities Management; Director, Research and Information; Clerk Assistant.

The results of the evaluations for positions reviewed by the Management Evaluation Committee are as follows:

-Clerk of the Legislative Assembly. Re-evaluated from pay band 14 to pay band 17 in the management category.

-Director, Finance and Administration. Re-evaluated from pay band 4 to pay band 5 in the management category.

-Director, Research and Information. New position evaluated at pay band 5 in the management category.

-Director, Facilities Management. New position reviewed and determined not to meet the criteria for inclusion in the management category. It was referred to the job evaluation division for classification which assigned pay range 34 in the excluded salary grid.

-Clerk Assistant. Reviewed and determined not to meet the criteria for inclusion in the management category.

Employees within the Legislative Assembly are public service employees pursuant to the Public Service Act. The responsibility for management and direction of the Public Service rests with the chairman of the FMB. This responsibility includes job evaluation. The chairman has delegated the authority to evaluate management positions to the Management Evaluation Committee. The human resource manual spells out clearly the process for evaluating all jobs, including management positions. The process is that each department submits the proposed management positions for evaluation by the Management Evaluation Committee. That committee has the responsibility to determine if the position submitted meets the criteria for inclusion as a management position and if so, to evaluate the position using the Hay Plan job evaluation system. This information is then communicated to the deputy minister of the employing department.

Return To Written Question 17-12(4): Fort Smith Garage Purchases
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Return to Written Question 17-12(4), asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell to the Minister of Public Works and Services, concerning Fort Smith garage purchases.

The list of purchases made by Public Works and Services for the Fort Smith garage, from April 1, 1992 to the present, including suppliers and costs, will be given to the Member today.

Return To Written Question 20-12(4): Capital Contracts List
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Return to Written Question 20-12(4), asked by Mr. Lewis to the Minister of Public Works and Services, concerning capital contracts list.

The following is a list of capital projects for which contracts have been negotiated by the Department of Public Works and Services for the 1993-94 fiscal year, as of November 15, 1993:

Construction

- location - Rankin Inlet/Whale Cove; project - granular crushing project; companies - RTL Construction, Y & C Enterprises, Issatik Ltd.; amount - $2.386 million.

- location - Wrigley; project - heliport/fire suppression; companies - Cap Mountain Ventures; amount - $97,440.

- location - Rankin Inlet; project - office, tenant improvements: companies - Ilagiikutut; amount - $290,000.

- location - Fort Simpson; project - office, tenant improvements; companies - Nahendeh Development Ltd.; amount - $387,000.

- location - Inuvik; project - western Arctic visitors' centre; companies - Uummarmuit Development Corporation and Edhiitat Tetlit; amount - under negotiation.

- location - Dempster Highway; project - Peel River interpretive shop; companies - Edhiitat Tetlit; amount - under negotiation.

Total, $3,160,440.

The following is a list of capital projects of which contracts have been negotiated by the NWT Housing Corporation for the 1993-94 fiscal year as of November 15, 1993:

Negotiated Contracts

-community - Tuktoyaktuk; company - Tuktoyaktuk Development Corporation; units/type - four public housing; amount - $600,858.

- community - Fort Simpson; company - Liidti Koe Construction Association; units/type - 10 access; amount -$1,152,449.

- community - Fort McPherson; company - Tetlit Zheh Construction; units/type - five access; amount - $198,560.

- community - Snare Lake; company - Snare Lake Band Development Corporation; units/type - five access; amount - $142,225.

- community - Rae Lakes; company - Gameti Development Corporation; Units/type - six access; amount - $253,713.

- community - Lac La Martre; company - Wha Ti Development Corporation; units/type - seven access; amount - $288,264.

Total, $2,636,069.

The total for Public Works and Services and the NWT Housing Corporation is ten contracts already negotiated this fiscal year, for a total value of $5,796,509. Public Works and Services has two other additional contracts still under negotiation.

Return To Written Question 22-12(4): Public Works Contracts
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Return to Written Question 22-12(4), asked by Mr. Dent to the Minister of Public Works and Services, concerning public works contracts.

1. The information requested for 1992-93 will be provided at a later date. The following is a list of capital projects for which contracts have been negotiated by the Department of Public Works and Services for the 1993-94 fiscal year as of November 15, 1993:

Construction

- location - Rankin Inlet/Whale Cove; project - granular crushing project; companies - RTL Construction, Y & C Enterprises, Issatik Ltd.; amount - $2.386 million.

- location - Wrigley; project - heliport/fire suppression; companies - Cap Mountain Ventures; amount - $97,440.

- location - Rankin Inlet; project - office, tenant improvements: companies - Ilagiikutut; amount - $290,000.

- location - Fort Simpson; project - office, tenant improvements; companies - Nahendeh Development Ltd.; amount - $387,000.

- location - Inuvik; project - western Arctic visitors' centre; companies - Uummarmuit Development Corporation and Edhiitat Tetlit; amount - under negotiation.

- location - Dempster Highway; project - Peel River interpretive shop; companies - Edhiitat Tetlit; amount - under negotiation.

Leases

- location - Rankin Inlet; project - two residential complexes, one office complex; companies - Ilagiiktut; amount - $712,000 and $246,000 respectively.

- location - Fort Simpson - project - one office complex; companies - Nahendeh Development Ltd.; amount - $247,000.

- location - Deline; project - one office complex; companies - Fort Franklin Dene Development Corporation; amount - $144,000.

Total, $4,509,440.

Return To Written Question 26-12(4): Government Buildings Written Off After Fires
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Return to Written Question 26-12(4), asked by Mr. Ng to the Minister of Finance, concerning government building write-offs after fires.

1. Three GNWT staff houses in 1992-93 and one GNWT staff house to date in 1993-94 were totally destroyed or badly damaged by fire. This does not include units owned by the Housing Corporation that may have housed GNWT staff.

2. There were a total of three other GNWT buildings destroyed during the 1992-93 fiscal year. These buildings were the Apex School in Iqaluit, the St. Paul School in Hay River and a warehouse in Fort Simpson. To date, in the 1993-94 fiscal year, no buildings have been destroyed by fire.

3. All staff housing units destroyed, except the one in Cambridge Bay, have been or are being repaired or replaced, partially with contributions from insurance recoveries. It is planned to replace the Apex School and the warehouse. Insurance proceeds of approximately $1.2 million will contribute to funding construction of the Apex School. Insurance proceeds of $300,000 will provide support for construction of the Fort Simpson warehouse. The St. Paul School in Hay River had already been replaced with a new school and was in the process of being demolished at the time of the fire.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Item 8, replies to opening address.

Item 8: Replies To Opening Address
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The Speaker

Mrs. Marie-Jewell's Reply

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, once again, I would like to take the opportunity, on behalf of my constituents, to address many of their concerns, with regard to issues that have been affecting them. I also want to address many of the initiatives that this government has been addressing within my constituency, that my constituents have been very grateful for.

Mr. Speaker, since last April when we met, I took it upon myself this past summer -- with all the problems we've had in our health centre -- to conduct a survey among my constituents. I had a very detailed survey developed and delivered to the homes this past summer. I had up to 420 or so replies to this household survey and there was one survey given per household. I recognize that I had many different opinions from many different constituents in my diverse constituency.

Mr. Speaker, this survey asked many different questions pertaining to the health board that was disbanded, but recently reinstated. And, I thank the Minister of Health for that decision. In addition, towards the end of my survey, I didn't only speak about health issues, I also asked my constituents what they thought about some of the other issues facing Fort Smith and the territories, overall. I asked one particular question, which was, "In your opinion, what do you think are the main concerns facing the residents of Fort Smith?" I also asked them, "What priorities would you like to see our MLA work on when the next session of the Legislative Assembly begins on November 17?"

I got many varied replies, Mr. Speaker, but I was happy to note that, in as much as people were concerned about the health centre and the operation of the health centre -- and particularly about the need for a health board, which has since been addressed -- many of my constituents felt that, as an MLA, I had the ability to priorize the concerns of my constituency and to be able to address them effectively on their behalf. I did have a couple of comments -- I believe there were two, in particular -- that were somewhat critical of the way that I, at times, express concerns. That, I believe, is constructive criticism, and I welcome that.

I do want to let this government know that many of the concerns that I had in my constituency were about the lack of housing and the lack of employment. There were basically no employment opportunities in our community this past summer. However, I can see that, within the next year, there will be a lot more opportunity for employment. I know my constituents will be quite busy doing such things as building the Arctic College academic headquarters. I certainly hope they will also be building a tanker base in Fort Smith.

I certainly believe, as I have said, that many of the people are grateful for some of the things that I have been doing. But, at the same time, they feel that there are many things still outstanding and issues that still have to be addressed. I will attempt to indicate them to this House. Initially, Mr. Speaker, I wanted to read all of my survey reports, but I feel it is somewhat unfair to have Members listen to the responses to my survey, so I generalized the responses.

One of the questions was, do you feel that we need a hospital board? There were very, very few people, out of 400 households that said, no. Everyone said, yes, a hospital board is critical. The next area they want me to work towards is attempting to get these boards elected, so they can be accountable to the community. Currently, the system of appointing board members allows for the accountability process to be somewhat flawed. I use the word "flawed" with all due respect. But, when you try to bring issues to the hospital board, at times, it is difficult. I find I get better results just bringing the issues to the Minister; I find many of these medical and health issues are then addressed.

At the same time, I don't feel that, as Members, we should be doing that all the time. I think the process of a board would allow for these health issues to be addressed. And, I believe that the board, if they are elected as opposed to being appointed, would give them the responsibility and ability -- because they have a mandate -- to make decisions accordingly for the betterment of the community. So, I do want to indicate to the Minister of Health that I certainly would encourage him to look at considering a process that allows the health boards that we have in the communities to be elected, as opposed to being appointed. I believe that, in the Department of Health, if this was the case, you probably would have less problems than you have today.

That was one of the main things I wanted to find out in my constituency, whether or not the board should be elected or appointed. In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, the other question I asked was, once we have this board in place, there are different models. One of the main concerns is how you choose the chairman. The chairman, as you are, Mr. Speaker, is an very important position that ensures the proceedings are conducted in a fair and consistent manner.

I asked three questions. Should the Minister appoint a chairperson? Should the members of the hospital board select a chairperson from their own membership? Or, should the community residents vote for the hospital board chairperson? The majority of the surveys indicated that the members of the hospital board should elect the chairperson. Then, you are certainly allowing for a cohesive team to work for the betterment of community health.

I certainly agree that the hospital board chairperson should be appointed by the Minister of Health until the rules are changed to allow them to get elected on the recommendation of their colleagues that are within the hospital board. The other general question that I've asked within my survey, and I'll name some of these questions, Mr. Speaker, as we go through them, is are there any general comments that they'd like to make about the Fort Smith Health Centre. There were many general comments. Many consistent, repetitive general comments that basically said, and I'll summarize it, that we have too many locum physicians in our community and we have to have some type of consistency, with regard to doctors. It's very frustrating for many of the people in the community, every time you want to see a doctor you have to go to a different doctor. I believe that particular concern was also reflected in the Special Committee on Health and Social Services. That was one of the more pressing concerns that was expressed at the public meeting.

There's no doubt that there are many of my constituents that still miss the services of Dr. Viswalingam and are still looking forward to the day that he may be able to conduct his assessment and be able to practice in the community. I know that there are still many patients that just on principle, refuse to go to the hospital for any type of medical services. I believe that is very unfortunate, but when people are convinced of a particular issue, it's very difficult to convince them to change their minds.

My other question was, were there any special health promotion projects or additional services, with regard to health projects that would benefit the residents of Fort Smith? With that, Mr. Speaker, again it's reflected in the Special Committee on Health and Social Services. Some of the comments were mental health has to be addressed, they need more regular visits from specialists, they need more resources, with respect to looking at specialists on hearing aid, speech themologists, deficit disorder -- for children who are designated for special needs. In addition, they felt that there should be, particularly when there is inadequate equipment in the health centre, the ability to address preventative types of health concerns, as opposed to being reactive with regard to health concerns.

There were many, many other concerns, with regard to keeping in contact with patients from the health centre. There were some comments on inadequate deliveries of babies within the community, that many of the deliveries are going out of the community. It doesn't seem that they feel comfortable with the type of health services we're getting.

They have also indicated the hiring procedures of the health centre are, at times, questionable. There are many, particularly of the long-term residents, that remember our health centre as having the ability to do operations, whether it's a tonsillectomy, or any type of appendicitis operation. In fact, I recall, when I was younger, there was a doctor that did brain surgery in Fort Smith. Today, there's a resistance to even deliver babies. It's telling you that since the government has taken over the health centre in Fort Smith it appears, if we sit down and think about it, our services have somewhat deteriorated. I believe that we certainly have to attempt to make use of these facilities because the facility that we now have is certainly a great facility compared to what we used to have, which used to do a lot more. They used to have the old Saint Anne's health centre that was, I believe, built in something like 1911. It's still standing today but it moved into the Fort Smith Health Centre back in the early 1980's. The new facility, which cost millions of more dollars, is not doing a lot of the work that it could be doing. I would like to encourage the Minister of Health to look at this and see how we can address this health care system, particularly with the health centre, so that you're not only going to reduce health care costs in the long term, but you're going to enhance proper services to the community.

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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

With that, Mr. Speaker, that's basically a quick -- very, very quick -- recap of my survey. However, there are other issues, as I stated, that are of concern to my constituency. I do want this government to be aware of it. First of all, I believe one of the more pressing concerns in my constituency is with regard to the lack of safety for my constituents because of the River Ridge Facility. Mr. Speaker,

I know I have a motion on the floor to address that and I will address it at the appropriate time. However, I do want to state that when I went home last weekend, I had many people come up to me and commend me for the questions that I asked and stated that they have been concerned for their safety. They are concerned that since this decision to triple designate this facility there has been an increasing number of break-outs. Particularly the type of life-threatening situations that my constituents have been in, that have somewhat scared them. I have to say that I know that it's a concern. That's why I felt it was critical to put forth my motion. Mr. Speaker, I certainly hope that Members, at the appropriate time, will support the initiative that I'm taking on behalf of my constituency.

Mr. Speaker, in addition to that, one of the more pressing issues -- and I believe this is an exciting initiative -- is with regard to having to see that the goal for a road south just may be a reality. I wanted to advise this House, when the Prime Minister was up to visit us and open this House, and when we were allowed to spend a few moments with him, I approached him and asked for support for a road from Fort Smith to Fort Vermilion. I have to stress to this House, back in 1958, there was a road and there is a cut line there. It would be nothing to go in and bring back that road to a proper base and develop it into a winter road.

---Applause

I think that any winter road that we look at will then develop into an all-weather road. I believe that, when we're going to look at these, we should look at them in the most practical sense. I certainly would be encouraging the Members to support my road south, particularly since I have now the seen the ability of Thebacha Campus, the heavy equipment operating program, opening the road for us to Fort Chip. I thank the Honourable Richard Nerysoo, for such an initiative to be taken by the heavy equipment program. I do want to tell him that my constituents have been extremely pleased and are very grateful for such an initiative.

---Applause

In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, our town boundary issue has been one that has been outstanding. I know I did have a commitment from the Honourable John Todd, with regard to this issue being addressed. I certainly look forward to attempting to complete this concern and this outstanding issue early in the new year. Currently, the town boundary is out towards Salt River which is, I would say, at least 12 miles out of the community. It makes it very difficult for the local person, if they don't have any means of transportation, to be able to go hunt, whether it's chickens, or to snare rabbits, or any type of hunting activity, because then they are within the town boundaries. So, they have to leave the community and walk a considerable distance if they want to consider hunting. It is somewhat discouraging for the local people and the aboriginal people who would like to go out and decide if they want to hunt a few chickens or snare a few rabbits in the fall. I would suggest that this town boundary, the way it is expanded, places an impediment on that. I certainly encourage the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs to address this issue.

I know the dispute is determining where the town boundary should be. I believe a compromise can be met on this issue and that the town boundary can probably be brought in, where MACA's position is. If it has to be renegotiated with the community, then I think if the Minister came with his officials to Fort Smith and the town council, I know the people of Fort Smith are reasonable people and they will be able to negotiate and determine where the town boundary should be. I would encourage the Minister to address this issue as quickly as possible so we can get that item dealt with.

Mr. Speaker, one other item I want to speak on, is with respect to family violence that the Minister of Justice has brought forth and we will be listening to witnesses next week. I want to indicate my full support for the Tawow Society, which has been in operation for many years in our community. It has done a good job to address spousal assault and provide a home, security and safety for the people who require it. However, I have noted their concerns on the inability of allowing these people from the Tawow Society home -- which is called the Sutherland House -- out to live in the community, without having to go back to their own home.

The Tawow Society has certainly recognized the need for second stage housing. I think if this government is going to make every effort to address family violence, they have to address the whole issue of the violence circle. They have to make every effort to break that circle of violence. That means finding a method for women who go and use these spousal assault homes not to go back into their homes, but to make every effort to get them another house in the community where they can feel assured and comfortable that they are living a safe life.

I would encourage the Minister of Social Services to request that her department seriously look at second stage housing, with regard to spousal assault and addressing family violence. We have to recognize that, when the Minister brings forth papers to address family violence, it is one thing to bring forth a paper and talk about zero tolerance on family violence, but the main issue is to make every effort to address it and not only provide lip service.

I do want to encourage this government to make every effort in all communities to find a method to create those assault homes for battered women or for battered men, if that is the case, but to be able to find a method to build these types of homes in the communities because they are needed.

With that, Mr. Speaker, I certainly would encourage, as I have said, the Minister of Social Services to continually address and support the concept of the Tawow Society in Fort Smith, on trying to acquire second stage housing for battered women.

Mr. Speaker, in respect to one other critical issue from my constituents is the education aspect. As we all know, education is a very important part of our daily lives. I want to express my grateful thanks to the Minister of Finance and, particularly to the Minister of Education, in addressing the renovation needed to our 37 year old school in Fort Smith.

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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

I know those will be addressed, not this year, but I think the planning will start this year, but they

will be addressed in 1995. Let me tell you, not only my constituents are grateful. When I told my children who go to that school, they were also excited and are looking forward to those renovations. They say their old school will be fixed up to be a better school. I am certainly grateful for that. I would continue to encourage the Department of Education to look at our high school that also needs renovations.

The problem that we seem to have in Fort Smith is we certainly have the infrastructure and I know that many of my constituents are grateful for that, but Fort Smith is a very old community. It took years to build up that infrastructure. I recognize that some of our infrastructure is now getting old and has to be addressed. I would like to thank the Minister of Education for addressing those renovations that are direly needed to deliver the education to our children.

I want to advise the Minister of Education, though. I do have some serious concerns in respect to the South Slave Divisional Board. I have spoken to him about it and I certainly have confidence that he will address these concerns in the immediate future. I have concerns to the way funding is being spent. I am feeling that some of these funds may be not properly used for the delivery of education to the schools. I feel that it is my responsibility to alert the Minister of Education. I am grateful that he has done a review on the divisional board, however, I recognize his review won't be done for some time. I certainly am going to request that certain items be addressed in the immediate future. I have also spoken to the Minister of Finance on this and I would like to thank him, as well, for indicating his support to address these concerns in respect to the South Slave Divisional Board.

With that, Mr. Speaker, I just have a few more items to address. One is in respect to the housing strategy. I certainly support it. I have always been on record for supporting the implementation of the housing strategy. However, the way the housing strategy has been delivered and implemented in my community, has not been acceptable. I said it last spring when I did my reply and I will say it again, all the government did was take their houses and shift them over to another department, whether it was the Department of Education, through Arctic College, or they had taken these houses and given them to housing. They are still paying the same type of costs that they were initially attempting to get away from. The way these houses were sold caused a disruption in our market. It also practically closed down a real estate agent.

We had a commitment in this House that any surplus housing would be sold on the private market, through a private real estate agent, and not one house, to date, has gone through the real estate agent. But, here in Yellowknife, many houses went through the real estate agents. What is being done in one area is not being done in another area. I've stressed many times in this house, no matter what you do, it is the method, how you do it. As long as you do things in a fair manner, I don't believe Members will be concerned. But, when they are done inconsistently and not fairly, there is no doubt they feel responsible to express these concerns.

With that, in closing, there is one critical issue that is of concern to my constituency. I left this issue for the last. It is the tanker base. I have noted, in discussing the capital plan, that there seems to be some reluctance of Cabinet, in making a decision of the type and size of tanker base that they need for the community. Whether it be CL-215s, hercules aircrafts or whatever type of aircraft that they need for their fleet to fight forest fires. I would urge this government to attempt to make every effort to make a decision on what type of facility you need and be able to allow the community to build the facility. The Dene and the Metis are very grateful that they are going to be allowed to build this with the condition and the commitment that the government will lease it over a long period of time. I believe that the Minister of Finance should encourage more of this type of capital construction because it allows our dollar to go a long way. It also allows a sense of ownership that instills pride within the community and it for people to see what they own and not only the government owning everything. It also saves our government a tremendous amount of dollars that we identify as capital needs. I would certainly like to encourage the government to go more into a lease purchase concept in constructing capital items in the future. Wherever it can be done, I would encourage them to do so.

With that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank Members for patiently listening to my comments that have been very important to my constituency. I would also like to take the time to thank Members for their support, whether it's the ordinary Members, or the Cabinet, and I certainly would like to, on behalf of my family, wish you all a very merry Christmas and a prosperous and healthy new year. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Patterson.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to table, Tabled Document 58-12(4), a newspaper article from the December 3, 1993 issue of Nunatsiaq News titled, young offenders learn news ways from elders, about the on the land young offenders' facility at Tungait outside of Iqaluit. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to table, Tabled Document 59-12(4), which are the many letters of support Cabinet has received. A total of 98 concerned individuals and 17 organizations signed these letters of support. The letters indicate whole-hearted support for the Cabinet position, as tabled in this House on November 23, 1993, on zero tolerance towards violence. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two documents to table. Mr. Speaker, as required by section 32.2, subsection 4(b) of the Financial Administration Act, I am

tabling, Tabled Document 60-12(4), a list of each case where a 1992-93 expenditure exceeded the 1992-93 activity budget by an amount exceeding $250,000.

Mr. Speaker, as required by section 32, subsection 3 of the Financial Administration Act, I am tabling, Tabled Document 61-12(4), a list of all interactivity transfers exceeding $250,000 within departments for the period March 15, 1993 to December 6, 1993. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Antoine.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table, Tabled Document 62-12(4), a letter that I received from the Fort Simpson Dene Band Council with regard to negotiated contracts. Mahsi.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

Item 12, tabling of documents. I have two documents. I wish to table, Tabled Document 63-12(4), an interim report by the conflict of interest commission with the recommendations and part three of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act.

I also wish to table, Tabled Document 64-12(4), a letter that I have sent out to every Member dealing with the response to Written Question 24-12(4), which was a question by the honourable Member for Deh Cho, Mr. Gargan, concerning the Languages Commissioner's travel list. I confirm to the House that the tabled document contains the information requested by the honourable Member.

Item 12, tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. Item 14, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 15, motions. Motion 4-12(4), Independent Review of Triple Designation of River Ridge Facility. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Motion 4-12(4): Independent Review Of Triple Designation Of River Ridge Facility, Carried
Item 15: Motions

December 8th, 1993

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,

WHEREAS, the Minister for the Department of Justice triple designated the River Ridge Facility as of April, 1993, in Fort Smith;

AND WHEREAS, this facility was originally intended as a secure facility;

AND WHEREAS, there have been two serious incidents since the decision to triple designate this facility;

AND WHEREAS, one incident caused a hostage taking at gunpoint;

AND WHEREAS, the public safety from inmates is a fundamental responsibility of the Department of Justice which the Minister of Justice must affirm;

AND WHEREAS, the recent report of River Ridge tabled in the House on November 29, 1993 was not an impartial and objective report which did not adequately address the concerns of public and this House;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Deh Cho, that this Legislative Assembly requests the Minister responsible for the Department of Justice to obtain an independent review of the decision to triple designate the River Ridge Facility;

AND FURTHER, that any independent review be requested to be undertaken by one of the Minister of Justices' provincial counterparts' staff with experience in this field;

AND FURTHERMORE, that the report from any independent review undertaken be tabled during the February 1994 session.

Thank you.

Motion 4-12(4): Independent Review Of Triple Designation Of River Ridge Facility, Carried
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell. Your motion is in order. To the motion. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.